[Rossoneri]

Scoring: IMP

You are South. Bidding goes 3 passes to you.

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After you open 1♦, partner responds 1♠. how would you rebid this?

[rogerclee]

3♦

[Echognome]

I'd rebid 3♦ as well.

[jdonn]

Close one but I'm ok with 3♦, given the flaws of the other choices. So my hand is good for a change.

[neilkaz]

3♦ for me, noting that I am allowed to hold a max, and this certainly is one.

[Rossoneri]

Interestingly the star that I was kibbing bid 2♥.

[the hog]

Rossoneri, on Aug 6 2008, 09:08 AM, said:

Interestingly the star that I was kibbing bid 2♥.

Shows you that having a star doesn't mean much in terms of ability.

[the hog]

Jlall, on Aug 6 2008, 11:17 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Aug 5 2008, 09:37 PM, said:

Rossoneri, on Aug 6 2008, 09:08 AM, said:

Interestingly the star that I was kibbing bid 2♥.

Shows you that having a star doesn't mean much in terms of ability.

lol. You are right about the star being meaningless but I would not assume that someone who bid 2H on this hand is a terrible player. It seems pretty close either way.

Perhaps it has passed you by that you have 7 Ds? I coud understand, though not approve of, a rebid of 2H with 6 as some posters on this forum are want to do. However with 7 it seems somewhat over the top.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

3D.

The first question you have to answer to
yourself is, do you want to force to game.
If No, you have a beautiful 3D bid, if Yes,
you have a slight problem, most likely you
would have to go with 2H.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[LH2650]

The_Hog, on Aug 6 2008, 12:41 AM, said:

Perhaps it has passed you by that you have 7 Ds? I coud understand, though not approve of, a rebid of 2H with 6 as some posters on this forum are want to do. However with 7 it seems somewhat over the top.

It is the 7th ♦ that makes the hand too strong for a 3♦ rebid. I'm for 2♥.

A more interesting problem is what you would have rebid if partner had responded 1♥.

[P_Marlowe]

LH2650, on Aug 6 2008, 02:04 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Aug 6 2008, 12:41 AM, said:

Perhaps it has passed you by that you have 7 Ds? I coud understand, though not approve of, a rebid of 2H with 6 as some posters on this forum are want to do. However with 7 it seems somewhat over the top.

It is the 7th ♦ that makes the hand too strong for a 3♦ rebid. I'm for 2♥.

A more interesting problem is what you would have rebid if partner had responded 1♥.

3D as well, ... and the problem is not interesting.
It is an well known problem, there are solutions
out there, if you dont want to go artificial, bid 3D.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[LH2650]

P_Marlowe, on Aug 6 2008, 02:27 AM, said:

LH2650, on Aug 6 2008, 02:04 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Aug 6 2008, 12:41 AM, said:

Perhaps it has passed you by that you have 7 Ds? I coud understand, though not approve of, a rebid of 2H with 6 as some posters on this forum are want to do. However with 7 it seems somewhat over the top.

It is the 7th ♦ that makes the hand too strong for a 3♦ rebid. I'm for 2♥.

A more interesting problem is what you would have rebid if partner had responded 1♥.

3D as well, ... and the problem is not interesting.
It is an well known problem, there are solutions
out there, if you dont want to go artificial, bid 3D.

With kind regards
Marlowe

If partner responds 1♥, I think a little simulation will show you that:

If partner has 5♥ and 6 HCP, you want to be in 4♥
If partner has 3♦, and 6 HCP, you want to be in 5♦
If partner has 7 HCP, you want to be in 3N

And I'm not talking vulnerable at IMPs odds.

My partners are not bidding any of those games after a 3♦ rebid, so I think that this is a game forcing hand. But how do you get to the right spot?

[kenrexford]

Not that this necessarily changes anything, but I do wonder what if anything the impact is on the decision to not open in fourth seat either 2♦ or 3♦.

Arguably, it seems that a fourth seat 2♦ covers some hands where one would normally open 1♦ and rebid 2♦, which seems to bump up that 1♦...2♦ auction. If other hands that might be opened 1♦ and then rebid 2♦ or even 3♦ are actually opened 3♦, then that fourth-seat 1♦...3♦ auction seems to logically be stronger than a normal 1♦...3♦ sequence.

In that event, I think that 2♥ might have more merit if the 1♦ opening had not been in fourth seat, and that 3♦ looks right in this seat with this hand.

[benlessard]

2H WTP and i think 3D is a mistake.

1- Partner will pass 3D with hands that make 3Nt a good bet and we are in IMPs.
2- partner will bid 3Nt with the K of H and a shaky club stopper.

Axxxx
Kxx
xx
Qxx


Better to be in 6D than to be in 3Nt

3- Our hand is good for slam.

[the hog]

benlessard, on Aug 7 2008, 11:54 AM, said:

2H WTP and i think 3D is a mistake.

1- Partner will pass 3D with hands that make 3Nt a good bet and we are in IMPs.
2- partner will bid 3Nt with the K of H and a shaky club stopper.

Axxxx
Kxx
xx
Qxx


Better to be in 6D than to be in 3Nt

3- Our hand is good for slam.

What happens when pd bids 4H on xxxx of H and an assorted 8-9 count? You pulling to 5D?

[jdonn]

The_Hog, on Aug 6 2008, 11:59 PM, said:

What happens when pd bids 4H on xxxx of H and an assorted 8-9 count?

I go look for a partner who knows 3♥ is forcing?

[the hog]

jdonn, on Aug 7 2008, 12:53 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Aug 6 2008, 11:59 PM, said:

What happens when pd bids 4H on xxxx of H and an assorted 8-9 count?

I go look for a partner who knows 3♥ is forcing?

Of course 3H is forcing. Presumably you play 2S or 2NT as blackout here too after a reverse. Did anyone say it wasn't forcing? It should also show a better hand than a raise to 4H, which shows a minimum game acceptance. So your partner's are forbidden from bidding 4H, are they?

[mike777]

Rossoneri, on Aug 5 2008, 11:48 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

You are South. Bidding goes 3 passes to you.

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After you open 1♦, partner responds 1♠. how would you rebid this?

3d but understand 2h.

[P_Marlowe]

LH2650, on Aug 6 2008, 09:04 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Aug 6 2008, 02:27 AM, said:

LH2650, on Aug 6 2008, 02:04 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Aug 6 2008, 12:41 AM, said:

Perhaps it has passed you by that you have 7 Ds? I coud understand, though not approve of, a rebid of 2H with 6 as some posters on this forum are want to do. However with 7 it seems somewhat over the top.

It is the 7th ♦ that makes the hand too strong for a 3♦ rebid. I'm for 2♥.

A more interesting problem is what you would have rebid if partner had responded 1♥.

3D as well, ... and the problem is not interesting.
It is an well known problem, there are solutions
out there, if you dont want to go artificial, bid 3D.

With kind regards
Marlowe

If partner responds 1♥, I think a little simulation will show you that:

If partner has 5♥ and 6 HCP, you want to be in 4♥
If partner has 3♦, and 6 HCP, you want to be in 5♦
If partner has 7 HCP, you want to be in 3N

And I'm not talking vulnerable at IMPs odds.

My partners are not bidding any of those games after a 3♦ rebid, so I think that this is a game forcing hand. But how do you get to the right spot?

Using artficial methods.

#1 Some peoble play, that a 2NT rebid by opener
showes a 6 carder and is forcing
This gets combines with a jump rebid showing
a 6 carder and 3 card support for partner, I
not 100% sure if it is played as forcing or not

#2 Other play, that the meaning of a 2m and 3m
rebid by opener gets switched, making 2m forcing.

The above solves the problems with the given hand,
but creates some other problems.

As I said, the problem is well known and there exist no
silver bullet, and since it is an old problem, it is not a very
interesting problem.
The hand belongs in the class of the "Bridge World Death
Hand".

With kind regards
Marlowe