[jdonn]

The_Hog, on Aug 7 2008, 01:40 AM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 7 2008, 12:53 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Aug 6 2008, 11:59 PM, said:

What happens when pd bids 4H on xxxx of H and an assorted 8-9 count?

I go look for a partner who knows 3♥ is forcing?

Of course 3H is forcing. Presumably you play 2S or 2NT as blackout here too after a reverse. Did anyone say it wasn't forcing? It should also show a better hand than a raise to 4H, which shows a minimum game acceptance. So your partner's are forbidden from bidding 4H, are they?

Not at all, it promises a very weak 5-5 for me. 3♥ includes all game forcing hands with 4 hearts. It's standard in at least some/many areas including all over the US that strong, for example, 3361 hands reverse after 1♦ 1♠ since if hearts are raised responder must have 5 spades.

I didn't vote for a reverse, but of any minuses in reversing on this hand, partner raising to 4♥ isn't one of them.

[mikeh]

jdonn, on Aug 7 2008, 12:53 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Aug 6 2008, 11:59 PM, said:

What happens when pd bids 4H on xxxx of H and an assorted 8-9 count?

I go look for a partner who knows 3♥ is forcing?

True enough, and I'll be right behind you looking for the same guy (altho I wouldn't think he'd be tough to find). But that 3♥ only delays the problem.

What do we do next? 4♦? Doesn't this sound like a train on its way to a major crackup?

I don't like 2♥ for this reason... of course, these problems are advertisements for other methods

I'd choose the underbid of 3♦ rather than the value-correct but perhaps unrecoverable from misdescription of 2♥.

[ArtK78]

Another example of a good hand for a forcing 3♦ rebid.