[matmat]

also... we have a 14
p "usually" has 13
that's 27
we could easily be off three aces, could suffer an adverse ruff

do you intend to post every hand where you take a poorly grounded position and it happens to pay off?

[sceptic]

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sceptic you are hopeless. I am tired of these pointless posts you make all the time.

Thanks for comment and don't read em if you don't like em

[P_Marlowe]

sceptic, on Jul 14 2008, 11:08 AM, said:

ok, have a field day here, BUT, my p usually has 13 hcp for this bid, given I am getting the lead into my hand, what 13 hcp hand does 6 diamonds not have a chance in, please bear in mind, I am confident pard has  diamonds for the 3nt bid

Hi,

ok, lets assume you are right.
That means you will have a 8 or 9 card fit in diamonds and 27HCP
in the combined hands.

But how do you know, that partner is looking at at least 2 Aces?
6D not only assumes, that your partner has 13HCP, it also assumes
he holds 2 of the 3 missing Aces.
As it is, partners 1S bid should be a warning signal, since it indicates,
that your partner will have lots of wasted spades values most of the time.
You may know due to system, that your partner wont have 5 spades
and hence no 4 hearts, since he did not use 3rd suit forcing, this reduces
the mentioned danger slightly, but not by much.

In other words, if you want to go looking for 6D, 4D has a lot more going
for it.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Codo]

Hi Wayne,

I think your idea: What hands do not make 6 Diamond which makes 3 NT is not as bad as Roger wrote.

But as Frances pointed out, there are too many hands, where 6 Diamond fails, so your jump was not good. Whenever you think that your hand improved so much in the bidding that you should make another move here, try 4 Diamond.

But if you do so, accept that the best player at this Forum (Fred) and anybody else agrees that this is a very strong violation of partnership bidding.

Whenever you have ideas like this, be sure that you have a very understanding partner, because he shares the tops and zeros based on your wild strikes.

There are bidding sequences where it is correct to reaevaluate the hand during the bidding. This one is none of them.

[TimG]

After the first few posts in this thread, I thought for sure that OP was going to explain that this was his opponents' auction and he was wondering if they might have had a wire on the hand. In my opinion, just more evidence that strange bidding is seldom the result of illicit behavior.

[sceptic]

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accept that the best player at this Forum (Fred) and anybody else agrees that this is a very strong violation of partnership bidding.

I do accept that, I know I was wrong, I knew I was wrong when my partner asked me to post this hand in the forums, I have a problem with bidding judgement sometimes, thats all

especially as not for the first time, a minor suit contract could be better than a NT contract. 6!D I got carried away, was not the first time, wont be the last time (hopefully this will get better by the time I am 80)

as for Rogers take on the matter, he is not the only one in here that could pass a theory exam, but can't pass the practical test

[han]

This has nothing to do with judgement.

[benlessard]

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On a more real note I think that reversing is horrible with the north hand, and bidding 3N with the south hand is horrible. So basically lol. How can 3N get support with the south hand, there is no heart stopper. Sure maybe south is not thinking SLAM but I would certainly be thinking, hey maybe we belong in 5D on this hand since I have no heart stopper, no diamond filler, prime cards, and only 1 stopper in clubs.

Agree 100%.

1D-----1S
2D-----3C
3H

3H here for me show half a stopper.

[Double !]

sceptic, on Jul 14 2008, 11:57 AM, said:

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sceptic you are hopeless. I am tired of these pointless posts you make all the time.

Thanks for comment and don't read em if you don't like em

Wayne: You deserve some apologies.

Every person who chooses to post or ask a question in this forum has the right to do so. And, everyone else has the right to read it or to not read it, to respond or to not respond. No one, however, has the right to insult any other member of this forum! Do that on BBO and it's considered to be Abuse.
What might have seemed like a pointless question or posting to some likely seemed important to the poster (sceptic) at the time, and he did nothing more than seek some advice. If you don't have anything helpful or constructive to say ("if you can't say something nice"), then don't say anything.

DHL

[Wackojack]

Sorry I have come in late.

Wayne: Since I first started reading this forum a few years ago, you have stood out in provoking interesting discussion. It is particularly refreshing that you are willing to expose your mistakes, thus providing a valuable service in facilitating discussions on common bridge errors. Indeed I believe your posts provide enough material for a very useful book for beginners and intermediates. Detractors can gtfo. Keep posting your bridge hands Wayne.

[EricK]

While Fred's advice:

fred said:

You have limited your hand and your partner has signed off. You should Pass without looking at your hand.

is, obviously, excellent, this auction highlights a weakness of standard "no-frills" bidding. Yes, opener has limited his hand, but it still covers a wide range; and yes, responder has signed off, but bear in mind that he has no natural forcing bid to make, and his bid too covers quite a wide range.

If both hands are towards the top of their repsective ranges and not too ill-fitting then slam will be a good proposition. Even worse, if partner is in the habit of responding 1♠ with a weak suit, then 3NT might be off with slam a lay down. Opener should be allowed to bid on with slam interested hands like this one. Jumping to slam is clearly a jump into the unknown, but one try, willing to subside in 4NT if partner doesn't co-operate looks to me like it will gain more often than it will lose.

[bill1157]

Reversing (i.e. 1d-1s/2h..) is 100% correct on this hand and is the only real way to get to a great slam.

Bill

[y66]

Ditto Wacko's comments.

Who said this: "A true friend stabs you in the front"?

a) Dale Carnegie

Dan Quayle

c) Marcus Junius Brutus

d) Oscar Wilde

e) All my bridge partners say this. The true friends apologize later.