[sceptic]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

Pass 1♦ Pass 1♠
Pass 2♦ Pass 3NT
Pass 6♦ Pass Pass
Pass

[rogerclee]

6♦ is a joke, pass is very obvious. Agree with all the other bids.

Bad bids pay off sometimes.

[effervesce]

South can't know that north has so much playing strength- his bidding seems normal.

North's first two bids are fine - can't reverse, 3♦ is an overbid while 2♦ I guess is a slight underbid, justified since partner bid 1♠ which doesn't look good for his hand.

6♦ is just a ridiculous bid-ridiculous bids pay off once in a while, but just because it works on one hand doesn't mean it's right.

Tough hand to bid to 6♦ legitimately though, unless north makes a 3♦ overbid.

[matmat]

I actually like a reverse on the N hand.

on the auction given, 6d is ridiculous. S could have given N another bid below 3n to clarify the hand and show the ♦Axx,

[mike777]

very hard hand to bid...
I play strong reverses but still I bid...
1d=1s
2h=sue me

[dbsboy]

I will definitely end in 3NT with this hand.

and Definitely North should pass 3NT.


But how to bid this slam? I think this is a better question.

I think South may bid something else instead of 3NT....he has a great hand with 3 Aces and 3 card Diamond support....if North has

♠KQX ♥X ♦KQXXXX ♣KXX

6D is a good slam, whilst 3N's may not make.

So if South can make a waiting bid then a forcing raise, they may find the slam?

[mike777]

dbsboy, on Jul 14 2008, 04:18 AM, said:

I will definitely end in 3NT with this hand.

and Definitely North should pass 3NT.


But how to bid this slam? I think this is a better question.

I think South should bid something else instead of 3NT....he has a great hand with 3 Aces and 3 card Diamond support....if North has

♠KQX   ♥X   ♦KQXXXX    ♣KXX

6D is also a good slam.

So if South can make a waiting bid then a forcing raise, they may find the slam?

I guess i am missing your point...


If I mean if you reverse and I do............i see no choice the slam is easy.

2) with your example hand i may miss slam......not sure but yes I may.

bidding goes:

1d=1s
2d=3c(extras)
3s=4d(slam try)
?

[dbsboy]

Sorry if you cant get my point.

Try to make this clear.

1. I mean, in reality i cannot reach this slam, but I am suggesting a method which can help us to bid it.

2. I dont consider Reverse as I think this is not the choice of the vast majority

3. I illustrated another hand which must be less than a reverse hand but can still play slam opposite the AJXX XXX AXX AXX. That shows a number of hands which goes 1D-1S-2D plus the 3 Ace-hand can make slam. Which means that South should take more initiative?

Hope you understand better

[dbsboy]

1 more point to add on.

Holding South's hand and learning that the auction is 1D-1S-2D

What I know is that, if North has a Singleton in ANY suit, the power of my hand rises a lot.

oh, Jlall explained it so well already.

[mike777]

dbsboy, on Jul 14 2008, 04:32 AM, said:

Sorry if you cant get my point.

Try to make this clear.

1. I mean, in reality i cannot reach this slam, but I am suggesting a method which can help us to bid it.

2. I dont consider Reverse as I think this is not the choice of the vast majority

3. I illustrated another hand which must be less than a reverse hand but can still play slam opposite the AJXX XXX AXX AXX. That shows a number of hands which goes 1D-1S-2D plus the 3 Ace-hand can make slam. Which means that South should take more initiative?

Hope you understand better  

1) again assuming first OP.. then I reverse,,,yes even though i play strong reverses......over 1d=1s=?
2) my OP hand is really good.........
3) I can never catch up if over 1d rebid 2d.........
4) agree if you open on junk then 1minor rebid 3 minor is really wide ranging........too much so...so....i reduce it.....

[analysismi]

If you are going to think about slam as north, you should bid Gerber. Given North's hand, KQJ♠ and QJ♣ are all worthless points. If partner is missing one of the aces slam is almost certainly a no go. No need to rush to 6D here even if you are thinking about it.

[pclayton]

6♦ is funny. GIBs bid like this once in awhile LOL.

It is a good slam however. I haven't heard anyone make any suggestions on how to get there.

Gnome and I would start:

1♦* - 1♠
2♦ - 3♦**
3♥...

* - 5+ usually
** - GF

From here, South might just bid 4♣ which would be enough for North I think. If South goes low with 3N, North would pass.

[sceptic]

ok, have a field day here, BUT, my p usually has 13 hcp for this bid, given I am getting the lead into my hand, what 13 hcp hand does 6 diamonds not have a chance in, please bear in mind, I am confident pard has diamonds for the 3nt bid

[sceptic]

A spade A club lead kills me I know as does any two ace leads

[mikeh]

mike777, on Jul 14 2008, 02:25 AM, said:

very hard hand to bid...
I play strong reverses but still  I bid...
1d=1s
2h=sue me

Anyone who says that they play 'strong reverses' and then says that they would reverse on this hand is mistaken about at least one of their statements.

How about this:

1♦  1♠
2♦  3♣
3♥  4♦
4♥  4♠
5♣  6♦

3♥ is a progressive move: with a soft hand, north would bid 3N.

So S can perhaps conclude that 5♦ is as safe as 3N and slam is not impossible, so why not make a try?

And if S makes a try, N's hand is wonderful in context.

I would need to be in my aggressive mode to bid this one.. I suspect that most of the time I'd be in 3N.

[fred]

sceptic, on Jul 14 2008, 04:08 PM, said:

ok, have a field day here, BUT, my p usually has 13 hcp for this bid, given I am getting the lead into my hand, what 13 hcp hand does 6 diamonds not have a chance in, please bear in mind, I am confident pard has  diamonds for the 3nt bid

It doesn't matter. To bid over 3NT is to violate a basic principle of bidding theory.

You have limited your hand and your partner has signed off. You should Pass without looking at your hand.

Maybe that is a bit strong since, from a practical standpoint, I could see bidding over 3NT with a completely bizarre hand (something like 8 weakish diamonds and a void in an unbid suit). But you won't go far wrong (and you will make your partners happy) if you never bid over 3NT in auctions like this one.

And you should not be confident that your partner has a diamond fit. How do you think he would bid with, say, 4324 plus 14 HCP and xx of diamonds?

Last paragraph edited. 4414 changed to 4324 as a result of misreading the original auction.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[rogerclee]

sceptic, on Jul 14 2008, 09:08 AM, said:

ok, have a field day here, BUT, my p usually has 13 hcp for this bid, given I am getting the lead into my hand, what 13 hcp hand does 6 diamonds not have a chance in, please bear in mind, I am confident pard has  diamonds for the 3nt bid

I wasn't having a field day until I read this. You post this ridiculous decision you made, and then have a bunch of experienced players tell you it was wrong, and you think you are right? "What 13-count does 6♦ not have a chance in?" LOL.

sceptic you are hopeless. I am tired of these pointless posts you make all the time.

(tilt is gone now)

[FrancesHinden]

sceptic, on Jul 14 2008, 05:08 PM, said:

ok, have a field day here, BUT, my p usually has 13 hcp for this bid, given I am getting the lead into my hand, what 13 hcp hand does 6 diamonds not have a chance in, please bear in mind, I am confident pard has diamonds for the 3nt bid

Why are you confident that partner has diamonds for the 3NT bid? That isn't normal methods. Apart from 4324 spades, wouldn't you bid 3NT on, say,

QJxxx
KJx
xx
AQx

Anyway, what 13 hcp hand does 6D not have a chance:

i) The ones missing two aces (that's easy) KQJx Kxx Jxx QJx etc
ii) The ones with an ace and a heart to lose
AQxx Jxx AJx QJx (yeah, 6D has some play, but that's a 15 count opposite)