[Raivis]

Scoring: IMP

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Partner passed, im opened with 1♥.
LHO bid 1♠ and partner reopen with 2♠ (showed max and fit).
I bid 2.suit - 3♦, LHO bid 3♠.
Partner - 4♥, im - 4♠ (mean exclusion blackwood)
West double and after partner answer 5♣ im go on 6♥.

12 tricks.

Later partner ask me - where is difference between agression and insane? Im passed open and you have 11 points.

Difference between agression and insane is on tricks!

P.S. 11 points, but 7 controls.

[FrancesHinden]

How on earth did you make 12 tricks?

[Raivis]

Ruff spade lead , play DA and small diamond to king.
Another spade ruff, one round of trumps, club to queen, 3 spade ruff with high, trump ending on dummy and and club discard to 13th diamond.

[effervesce]

FrancesHinden, on Apr 24 2008, 03:56 AM, said:

How on earth did you make 12 tricks?

Dummy reversal. A club loser goes on the long diamond.

[Walddk]

FrancesHinden, on Apr 24 2008, 10:56 AM, said:

How on earth did you make 12 tricks?

Excellent question, given that there is a certain loser in diamonds and clubs. Did they revoke?

Roland

[Walddk]

effervesce, on Apr 24 2008, 11:08 AM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Apr 24 2008, 03:56 AM, said:

How on earth did you make 12 tricks?

Dummy reversal. A club loser goes on the long diamond.

There is indeed a reverse dummy available (you can even cash two rounds of trumps when West does not have the last one). Well bid (?), and well played.

Roland

[the hog]

Its a baby dummy reversal, but it is a very poor slam. I would not be proud to bid this and certainly would not boast about it.

[helene_t]

I would just have bid 4♥ over 2♠. True, points schmoints, but slam is far away. With the actual dummy, you need the club finesse to be on and you probably need trumps to be 3-2. Besides you might lose two diamond tricks.

[FrancesHinden]

Raivis, on Apr 24 2008, 10:08 AM, said:

Ruff spade lead , play DA and small diamond to king.
Another spade ruff, one round of trumps, club to queen, 3 spade ruff with high, trump ending on dummy and and club discard to 13th diamond.

OK, so all you needed was

- trumps 3-2
- diamonds 2-2 (you might survive with singleton king on your left)
- the club finesse
- a non-trump lead (I think)

I'll stick with 'insane'

[RMB1]

FrancesHinden, on Apr 24 2008, 05:40 AM, said:

- a non-trump lead (I think)

I think you make on a trump lead:
1. win in South,
2. diamond to K,
3. win trump in North,
4. ruff spade,
5. diamond to Q,
6. ruff spade,
7. club finesse,
8. ruff spade,
9. club to North,
10. cash trump,
and South has winning diamonds.

[Raivis]

Yeap, acually made on trump lead too.
For 12 tricks need:
1) onside ♣K
2) diamonds 2-2 or 3-1 with singleton king.
3) trumps 3-2.

Slam NOT good, i agree, but 4♠ force only to 5♥!

[kenrexford]

Aggressive? Not really. The cards look nice.

Insane? Not really. One could imagine partner having the right cards.

Stumble-Bunny? Extremely. The auction shows a complete lack of trust. Although you have a hand where slam is possible, partner could have bid 3NT, 4♣, or 4♦ instead of 4♥ to encourage you. He did not.

The fact that he had the hand that you needed, almost, is irrelevant. He could have had much worse. If this hand is the hand that he needed, then correction of his bidding weakness through overcompensation defeats partnership development. If you think that this slam should be approached, then acknowledge what went wrong.

One could argue, for instance, that you should clearly pass 4♥, but that Responder should have, for instance, made a non-serious slam move of cuebidding 4♣. Perhaps then, as an aggressive move, you might have cuebid 4♦ as a Last Train move. Perhaps even yet, after partner declines, you could then cue 4♠ as one last try, enabled by initial partner's 4♣. Maybe then your partner likes his fourth diamond and the position of his club Queen and pops back 5♣.

This back-and-forth approach on this hand might yield a slam bid that, in retrospect, was a bit aggressive. But, it would make some sense. Your auction makes no sense, not because of insanity or aggressiveness, but because of the loud statement that it makes about the weakness and lack of trust and overcompensation in your partnership. My guess is that your tendency to bid 4♠ in this situation is because partner is so timid. My other guess is that partner is so timid because of your tendency to bid 4♠ in an auction like this. Get trust back!