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Simple Question

Poll: Your bid? (46 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid?

  1. 1NT (no longer forcing) (1 votes [2.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.17%

  2. 2C (nat) (12 votes [26.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.09%

  3. 2D (nat) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 2H (nat) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 2S ("constructive") (26 votes [56.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.52%

  6. 2N (4 card limit+) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 3C (fit, 4 card support) (3 votes [6.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.52%

  8. 3S (mixed) (3 votes [6.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.52%

  9. 4S (game) (1 votes [2.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.17%

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#1 User is offline   sheepman 

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Posted 2007-August-21, 12:33

Scoring: MP



Swiss pairs, 8 board matches, your currently nowhere in the field of 600 with only 4 out of 14 rounds gone.

Your playing in a casual partnership with a friend, an inexperienced but talented player. You play 2/1 15-17 throughout 5card majors.

You do not play Drury, that's not the point, deal with it!

EDIT: the auction is P-P-1S-P-?
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Posted 2007-August-21, 12:45

I know this hand (and why the problem is being posted) - and 600 pairs is a bit of an overbid, but never mind.

When I was given the problem at the time, I said I would bid 2S if I was not playing Drury.
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Posted 2007-August-21, 12:46

What is the question?
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Posted 2007-August-21, 12:49

This hand is why you play Drury.

At teams I would probably try 2♣ (if partner has 4♠ only he was planning to pass whatever I bid and rates to be good), at MP that is no good.

2NT is out (no sure fit)
3S is out (possibly to high AND no sure fit)

Leaves:

1N and 2S.

I choose the bid that works :)

And I note that after the session we agree Drury please...
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Posted 2007-August-21, 12:50

Trumpace, on Aug 21 2007, 07:46 PM, said:

What is the question?

You are dealer. The auction starts

P P 1S P

back to you
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Posted 2007-August-21, 12:57

FrancesHinden, on Aug 21 2007, 07:45 PM, said:

When I was given the problem at the time, I said I would bid 2S if I was not playing Drury.

Same here :)
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Posted 2007-August-21, 13:11

Well, I value this as a 3 card limit raise, and without Drury as a passed hand I make a 2/1 then show spade support later (if there is a later).

So I bid 2C, depending on showing spade support later.
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Posted 2007-August-21, 13:26

2C is just bonkers, it's MP's +90 in 2C is not a good score when you have a spade fit.
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Posted 2007-August-21, 13:43

Well I'm bonkers. I went for 2C, planning to rebid 2S over 2D but otherwise push to 3S. I reckon partner is unlikely to pass, and if he doesn't then I feel well placed. If he does pass I agree it may be bad, but I don't see it as certain. I wouldn't have minded showing a minisplinter raise to 3S but sadly that is not available.
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Posted 2007-August-21, 14:17

I would just bid 2S.
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Posted 2007-August-21, 14:44

Looks like a simple raise to me.
Switch the ♠J to the ♣ suit, and it's an automatic 2♣ if not playing Drury (I confess I can't remember when i didn't play Drury - I think there was a time I didn't but it's so long ago...).
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Posted 2007-August-21, 15:35

2s but close to bidding natural 2clubs, very close.
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Posted 2007-August-21, 15:49

Count me amongst the 2♠ bidders.
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Posted 2007-August-21, 15:58

Ink me in for 2♠. At MP I don't want to be left in 2♣ which will happen every time opener has a minimum with a 5332 pattern. He may want to bid 2NT with a doubleton club, but that will likely make things worse.

Besides, I don't think 2♠ is an underbid if agreed as constructive because of no Drury.

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Posted 2007-August-21, 16:25

sheepman, on Aug 21 2007, 08:26 PM, said:

2C is just bonkers, it's MP's +90 in 2C is not a good score when you have a spade fit.

Oh, don't be silly. I happen to think 2♠ is best, but 2♣ is a perfectly reasonable alternative. And like Frances I know why you're asking, and you won't do yourself any good by trying to argue that 2♠ was the only sensible bid. The best you can say is that 2♠ is "normal". And the worrying thing is I can think of a couple of people who might describe bids as "bonkers" like you did, and if you've been listening to them too much (which wouldn't surprise me) you're going to be getting some very idiosyncratic ideas.
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Posted 2007-August-21, 19:08

Nice we are playing constructive raises - I think we've been dealt one here.
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Posted 2007-August-22, 04:35

Is 2♠ really constructive by a passed hand? What would you do with a 6 count and 3 spades for instance?
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Posted 2007-August-22, 04:38

John Armstrong, a very fine player indeed, bid 4S when given the hand as a problem.
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Posted 2007-August-22, 04:47

ewj, on Aug 22 2007, 12:35 PM, said:

Is 2♠ really constructive by a passed hand? What would you do with a 6 count and 3 spades for instance?

1NT (forcing) followed by 2♠ if available. Either 5-7 with 3 or 6-10 with 2. I like 2♠ to be 8-10(11) with 3. We were told that the system is 2/1, not Acol where 1NT is NF.

I am inside the 8-11 range with 3, so I have no problem with a single raise.

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Posted 2007-August-22, 04:56

Hi,

3S, although I am not sure, what "mixed" means,
I want to invite, if it is preemptive, than 2S it is,
because thats what is left.

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