[Poky]

IMP. All love.

2♦* pass 2♠! ???
* Multi
! P/C, better hearts

♠x
♥AQ
♦AJ8xx
♣KQJxx

[whereagles]

Well, 3♦ wtp? ^^

[FrancesHinden]

Well, Dbl, wtp?

Second choice 3D. But we can't defend 2Sx if we bid 3D...

[Halo]

Double.

I hope to find out more before committing.

[foo]

Poky, on May 27 2007, 12:07 PM, said:

IMP. All love.

2♦* pass 2♠! ???
* Multi
! P/C, better hearts

♠x♥AQ♦AJ8xx♣KQJxx

Whatever the call is in your defense vs Multi-2D that shows a T/O for the minors, make it.

X, playing "KISS"

[han]

If the system has a takeout for the minors then there would obviously not be a problem. Lacking that, there is a problem because double with a doubleton in the other major is not attractive. Still, I think I would double.

[pclayton]

What would you bid if it went 2♠ - check - check?

I think we are at an advantage, since LHO might bid 3♥, and pard will have a pretty good picture of our hand looking at a likely doubleton heart.

If LHO passes, pard might be in a position to penalize 2♠; which looks really tasty.

[Codo]

Double will win if we can get a juicy penalty pass from pd. Do I t think that this is a higher possibility then pd bidding 3/ 4 HEarts which will give us big problems in the later bidding? I doubt that so I start with 3 ♦, with double the only reasonable alternative.

[FrancesHinden]

It's not quite the same auction as 2♠ P P to us, because RHO has shown some length in hearts.

As it happens, I would double after 2♠ P P ? though wouldn't feel that happy about it. I think it's a little safer on this auction.

However I don't really mind 3 of either minor as an alternative. Anything else is warped.

[Fluffy]

I have not discussed this situation much with my partner, how do you play 3♠ here?

[Flame]

I dont understand the dbl here, yes 2♠ showed 3♥s but isnt your dbl still shows ♥ ? otherwise if you got ♥s it would likely to end in 2♠ undoubled.
If your dbl does show ♥s then if opener passes partner might bid 3♥ and you wont like it.
If instead declarer bid 3♥ im not sure partner will know the situation, he will think your hand is good for defence since you got something in ♥ and will tend to pass when you want him to bid. This is unless you agreed that this is a two way dbl situation which i believe has its cost if opponenets want to take advantage of it.

[SoTired]

DBL? Poor choice. What happens when partner assumes we have hearts and or spades? We still don't know opener's suit and we are 2-1 in the majors. The bidding could continue X (p) 3/4H or X (3H) 3/4S and now what?

So unless we have some nifty bid that shows the minors, we better bid 3D and try to bid both our suits.

One alternative is 4N - but that skips 3N. Partner may have some major stoppers.

[pclayton]

SoTired, on May 28 2007, 02:04 AM, said:

DBL? Poor choice. What happens when partner assumes we have hearts and or spades? We still don't know opener's suit and we are 2-1 in the majors. The bidding could continue X (p) 3/4H or X (3H) 3/4S and now what?

So unless we have some nifty bid that shows the minors, we better bid 3D and try to bid both our suits.

One alternative is 4N - but that skips 3N. Partner may have some major stoppers.

Look, if RHO is making some weird 2♠ call on a stiff heart and a doubleton spade, it will be hard to figure it out. My (limited) experience against multi is that responder doesn't monkey around much, and 2♠ shows exactly what you would expect it to be: 1-2 spades, and probably 3 hearts. Additionally, LHO can't pass with hearts.

Pard seems a lock to hold 4 or 5 spades on this auction if Opener has spades. If Opener has hearts, then pard's spades are a mile long (we have a stiff, RHO has 0-2, and the weak 2 bidder can't have too many either).

So I'd bet that LHO actually has spades and we are about to collect a nice number.

[helene_t]

I wonder if double shows this hand or if it is t/o on spades. I voted double but if partner expects 4 or at least 3 hearts I'd bid 3♦. Now that I think more about it I think I should have bid 3♦. Next time we get a 1444 and everybody will double. Of course the strength of the hand plus the bad diamonds makes dbl an option even if it suggests four hearts.

I don't see how one could play a t/o for the minors here. What bid could be reserved for that purpose? I think 3♥ and 3♠ are both necesary as natural bids. Besides, I'd rather not commit us to the 4-level with this hand although 4 of the fitting minor could better than 3 of the non-fitting one.

[Halo]

A lot of people have very specific agreements about double in this position. I think pclayton's analysis shows why you want some flexibility attached to the double. If it usually shows hearts, say, you allow for the possibility of some other strong hands as well.

[KiwiBridge]

Quote

Double will win if we can get a juicy penalty pass from pd

In standard multi down under 2♠ is a game try in ♥ opposite a weak 2♥ or pass with ♠ - in either case unlikely to get the juicy penalty - more likely to get the usual -470

[FrancesHinden]

Fluffy, on May 28 2007, 09:02 AM, said:

I have not discussed this situation much with my partner, how do you play 3♠ here?

Good hand with spades.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

3D (or 4NT)

X should be takeout for spades, and I wont feel happy,
if I hear 3H.
Some play X as takeout for hearts, because if I hold
spade length and the MUlti is based on spades, partner
will be short and reopen with a t/o, either way, I dont
have a t/o.

My first intention was 4NT, but I would need better
diamonds, so 3D with the hope to show th clubs later.

With kind regards
Marlowe