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Still red at imps, though you may notice some similarities to a previous hand...
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Posted 2007-May-25, 09:16
Still red at imps, though you may notice some similarities to a previous hand...
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Posted 2007-May-25, 09:25
I hope that I'm not being too inconsistent, however, I like this hand much more than the last one.
Partner is likely to have Club shortage. We should be able to ruff clubs with some low Hearts. Even with the expected trump lead, things should work out differently.
I'm still worried that partner may hang me, but I am willing to risk bidding 5H on this one
Partner is likely to have Club shortage. We should be able to ruff clubs with some low Hearts. Even with the expected trump lead, things should work out differently.
I'm still worried that partner may hang me, but I am willing to risk bidding 5H on this one
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Posted 2007-May-25, 09:33
I bid 5♥, relying on partner to be short in clubs.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 09:36
This is beginning to remind me of an old BW story in which the hero has a dream in which he is playing against the devil, and he keeps getting the same hand... he gets it wrong every time, of course.......
I think this one is even worse than the previous one, and I'm afraid to answer because, if I don't like this one, imagine how I'll feel the next time you post this hand, with, no doubt, an even more fiendish dilemma.
However, I am not (always) a coward, so...
I pass. Yes, I could be getting robbed blind, but here I have a modest clue or two.
Partner is short, very short, in ♣s. He rates to be void, but may own one.
I don't hold a huge number of hcp. Partner will not usually hold even a minimum opening hand because he'd be likely to act with his shortness
So RHO has some hcp.. anywhere from most of the missing points to at least a good part of them. Which means that he probably has defence, which in turn means that he is bidding to make rather than as an advance save... which gets us back to his having most of the hcp.
None of this is for sure. And even if it is, if partner is void in ♣s, we rate to play adequately in 5♥ without a trump lead even if partner is relatively weak... but the overcall madness has to stop somewhere and, for me, this is it...Pass
I think this one is even worse than the previous one, and I'm afraid to answer because, if I don't like this one, imagine how I'll feel the next time you post this hand, with, no doubt, an even more fiendish dilemma.
However, I am not (always) a coward, so...
I pass. Yes, I could be getting robbed blind, but here I have a modest clue or two.
Partner is short, very short, in ♣s. He rates to be void, but may own one.
I don't hold a huge number of hcp. Partner will not usually hold even a minimum opening hand because he'd be likely to act with his shortness
So RHO has some hcp.. anywhere from most of the missing points to at least a good part of them. Which means that he probably has defence, which in turn means that he is bidding to make rather than as an advance save... which gets us back to his having most of the hcp.
None of this is for sure. And even if it is, if partner is void in ♣s, we rate to play adequately in 5♥ without a trump lead even if partner is relatively weak... but the overcall madness has to stop somewhere and, for me, this is it...Pass
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Posted 2007-May-25, 09:40
I pass this as well. I think the key here is that we hold three clubs, so partner if partner is very short in clubs, then he doesn't have very much. It might not even be the case that partner is that short in clubs (he could have a doubleton for example), as RHO may be raising purely on power. Sure our hand has some great playing strength, but this could very easily be a phantom or going for a packet for no reason.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 09:42
Absolutely 5♥ for me. I am not that worried about partner 'hanging me' since his raise to slam could easily make!
I answered this one since I still haven't got the slightest clue what to do on the other, but I'm quite confident here.
I answered this one since I still haven't got the slightest clue what to do on the other, but I'm quite confident here.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 09:56
jdonn, on May 25 2007, 07:42 AM, said:
Absolutely 5♥ for me. I am not that worried about partner 'hanging me' since his raise to slam could easily make!
I answered this one since I still haven't got the slightest clue what to do on the other, but I'm quite confident here.
I answered this one since I still haven't got the slightest clue what to do on the other, but I'm quite confident here.
Confident about what?
The only thing I'm confident about on this hand is that it will be nearly impossible to agree on a simulation.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 09:59
Echognome, on May 25 2007, 10:56 AM, said:
jdonn, on May 25 2007, 07:42 AM, said:
Absolutely 5♥ for me. I am not that worried about partner 'hanging me' since his raise to slam could easily make!
I answered this one since I still haven't got the slightest clue what to do on the other, but I'm quite confident here.
I answered this one since I still haven't got the slightest clue what to do on the other, but I'm quite confident here.
Confident about what?
The only thing I'm confident about on this hand is that it will be nearly impossible to agree on a simulation.
Confident in my answer silly.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 10:21
I'd go 5H on this too, hopefully partner has some spade cards rather than diamond cards. That's what this pretty much comes down to.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 10:22
hrothgar, on May 25 2007, 10:25 AM, said:
Even with the expected trump lead
you play against a tough crowd!
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Posted 2007-May-25, 10:49
I'd pass here. My general rule is to bid aggressively with shortage in the enemy suit. In this case partner (if anyone) has the shortage. His failure to bid suggests that his hand will not be as suitable as people are expecting. It's also quite possible that RHO is short in clubs (maybe clubs are 1-1 between partner and RHO) and the raise is mostly on power, in which case I'm going for a huge number if I bid. Relying on partner to have short clubs, and RHO to have some clubs, and partner to have some hearts to ruff my clubs, seems like a lot to ask for. Even if partner shows up with some magic dummy, he'll probably raise to a failing 6♥ (expecting that my bid with the longer clubs actually shows a good hand).
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Posted 2007-May-25, 11:44
Echognome, on May 25 2007, 10:56 AM, said:
The only thing I'm confident about on this hand is that it will be nearly impossible to agree on a simulation.
I agree with this, and also with 5H.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 12:58
5♥, Ruffing ♣s in dummy will bring extra tricks.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 13:31
5♥
This is completely instinctive and automatic for me. If I pause to think I am even more convinced.
This is completely instinctive and automatic for me. If I pause to think I am even more convinced.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 13:31
5H
Going to assume partner has at a minimum 8 whcp and a stiff or 7 working hcp and void in clubs.
Going to assume partner has at a minimum 8 whcp and a stiff or 7 working hcp and void in clubs.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 14:20
My dilemma is between 5♥ and dbl 
Bidding is definitely a no-brainer for me, eheh.
Bidding is definitely a no-brainer for me, eheh.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 14:22
5♥
I've been in worse contracts
I've been in worse contracts
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2007-May-25, 14:55
5♥. Completely different set of circumstances than the last. If 4♠ was a psyche on the other - good job opps.
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Posted 2007-May-26, 00:11
hi all
..before i bid 5♥ i'll just check that the opps dont play SA Texas ... if they do, our heart fit may be a little disappointing
Rgds Dog
..before i bid 5♥ i'll just check that the opps dont play SA Texas ... if they do, our heart fit may be a little disappointing
Rgds Dog
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Posted 2007-May-27, 04:56
The auction is different than the other thread, I agree.
Before revealing the full horror of this hand, I should warn you that this was in the last league match of the season, after the winner of the league had already been determined, so there was a certain air of frivolity. I was East.
NS 1660
I am told I managed to remain completely impassive when the ace of diamonds was ruffed at trick 1. All I can add is that the double only cost 1 imp against 4S-4 undoubled in the other room
Before revealing the full horror of this hand, I should warn you that this was in the last league match of the season, after the winner of the league had already been determined, so there was a certain air of frivolity. I was East.
Scoring: IMP
4♣ P 5♣ 5♥
P 6♥ x all pass
4♣ P 5♣ 5♥
P 6♥ x all pass
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I am told I managed to remain completely impassive when the ace of diamonds was ruffed at trick 1. All I can add is that the double only cost 1 imp against 4S-4 undoubled in the other room
4♣ P 5♣ ?