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Take out is it for take out?

#1 User is offline   apollo1201 

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Posted Today, 04:16

MPs, all green, RHO deals and opens 1H when you pick up a textbook hand for a TOX:

QJ82
-
AJT84
AJT5

LHO bids a peeemptive 3H, partner passes and opener bids 4H.

How would you rate pass vs X now?

And facing X, would you bid something with:

A73
765
Q752
872

Responder was 4405, opener a strong 2641, all nicely placed for them and a shared bottom (board played simultaneously in several clubs for ~250 tables playing this deal, 7 pairs scored -690, there were 3 or 4 790/800 to score worse). -300 would have been 70+% but opps might have bid 5H.

On the reflection I think my action was a bit marginal as I am lacking a little defensive strength (those JT / QJ are too soft), but I was hoping partner would take it out.

Partner said no luck.

Asking advice on this one.
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Posted Today, 04:33

  • Well done to the opponents for bidding to their 4 so quickly, and for the 3 preemptive raise reducing partner's options. Partner wouldn't have done anything over 2 regardless, but know we don't get that inference.
  • Second double would still have been takeout. It is more committal than a double at the 1-level, and so normally shows extra strength and suitable shape (not a modern offshape takeout double).
  • I would have passed with partner's hand opposite 4X. We have some defensive values and a flat hand. As the bidding gets higher it becomes more and more attractive to convert a takeout double to penalties. If you take away the A I would bid, but with the given hand it's a close decision and I favour passing.
  • I would not have doubled a second time with our textbook hand. 5440 is worse for takeout than 4441, but neither plays all that well. We don't have enough strength to commit to the 4- or 5-level. I think it's a close decision.

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