BBO Discussion Forums: Law25, with a twist - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Law25, with a twist

#1 User is offline   jillybean 

  • hooked
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 12,060
  • Joined: 2003-November-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Vancouver, Canada
  • Interests:Multi

Posted Yesterday, 22:22

ACBL
You are called to the table and told the following

The auction started PASS PASS. Player in 3rd seat pulled a pass card out of the bidding box and concealed the pass card behind the cards held in hand,thought for 15 seconds, reached for the bidding box, removed the 1C card, which was placed on the table and then returned the pass card to the bidding box.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
0

#2 User is online   mw64ahw 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,979
  • Joined: 2021-February-13
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Interests:Bidding & play optimisation via simulation.
    Racket sports

Posted Today, 01:50

Can the ACBL really make Laws; maybe rules and regulations? Semantics maybe country dependent, but I thought Laws are reserved for sovereign states and their legislative bodies. On the basis perhaps the rulebook is inadmissible?Posted Image
0

#3 User is offline   pescetom 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,465
  • Joined: 2014-February-18
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Italy

Posted Today, 07:19

 mw64ahw, on 2026-February-24, 01:50, said:

Can the ACBL really make Laws; maybe rules and regulations? Semantics maybe country dependent, but I thought Laws are reserved for sovereign states and their legislative bodies. On the basis perhaps the rulebook is inadmissible?Posted Image

The Laws are made by WBF for the whole world, although ACBL likes to pretend they are ACBL Laws.

The twist is in how the regulations of an RA (like ACBL) about use of bidding box interact with the Laws.

Unfortunately some RAs (like FIGB) say that the call is made only when the bidding card is placed on the table: so now we are not in L25 as the Pass was never made. I would handle it as if the player had said "I'm tempted to Pass, but..." and then bid 1C. A 73B penalty for brazen illegal supply of information and then stay at the table with L16 ready to judge potential use of the UI.

Not sure how it works in ACBL.
0

#4 User is online   blackshoe 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,986
  • Joined: 2006-April-17
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Rochester, NY

Posted Today, 16:03

Pretty much same way as in FIGB.

COC, App. G said:

BIDDING BOXES (no screens)
1. Players must choose a call before touching any card in the bidding box. A call is considered made when a bidding card is removed from the bidding box and held touching, or nearly touching, the table — or maintained in such a position to indicate that the call has been made.
2. Once a call has been made, the provisions of Law 25 (parts A and B), as written, govern changes of call.

--------------------
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
Our ultimate goal on defense is to know by trick two or three everyone's hand at the table. -- Mike777
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
0

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users