The bidding went 1D - 1NT - 2C. I (responder) had 7 points with 4 clubs. I passed, I had nothing to show at two level. But I got c*****d out by my "expert" partner (This was in a quick 4-board tourney).
Does 2C over 1NT response carry some meaning I'm not aware of?
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What does 2C over a 1NT response mean in SAYC?
#3
Posted Yesterday, 08:28
You are allowed to pass 2♣. However, holding anything else then a drop dead minimum with 2 more ♣ than ♦ you should give false preference to ♦ to allow for partner to bid on on case he was on the strong side with invitational values. The upper limit of 2♣ should be taken into consideration. Without a hand it's hard to judge if partner had a point or not.
#4
Posted Yesterday, 08:33
This is, in part, a style issue. Some people want you to bid over 2♣ on any excuse. Other people will only ask you to bid if you think a strain other than clubs, or a level other than the 2-level, is likely to be best.
At the beginner level I think we are commonly taught to strain to rebid. Most hands with 8(+) HCP should try to move, for fear that opener has a 17+ hand and game is still possible. In fact, personally I'd also stretch the 2♣ rebid to include some 18-point hands and possibly some 19-counts too, but now we're getting well past the beginner level.
Personally I think this is so-so advice. It's actually quite far against the odds to strain this much to keep things open, and we might very easily get too high with 8-opposite-13 or the likes. There is a very common fear of missing a making game, and people will go to serious lengths to avoid that risk - incurring other, potentially greater, risks in the process.
Personally I would pass with most hands with 7 HCP, 4 clubs and at most 2 diamonds. If you had a third diamond that would change the situation considerably. Unfortunately you did not list this in the original post. I'd be curious to see what the full deal was.
Now there are some details about this specific auction that merit consideration, and actually there's some really interesting bidding theory about this start of the auction exactly, but I think this is beyond the Novice and Beginner forum.
At the beginner level I think we are commonly taught to strain to rebid. Most hands with 8(+) HCP should try to move, for fear that opener has a 17+ hand and game is still possible. In fact, personally I'd also stretch the 2♣ rebid to include some 18-point hands and possibly some 19-counts too, but now we're getting well past the beginner level.
Personally I think this is so-so advice. It's actually quite far against the odds to strain this much to keep things open, and we might very easily get too high with 8-opposite-13 or the likes. There is a very common fear of missing a making game, and people will go to serious lengths to avoid that risk - incurring other, potentially greater, risks in the process.
Personally I would pass with most hands with 7 HCP, 4 clubs and at most 2 diamonds. If you had a third diamond that would change the situation considerably. Unfortunately you did not list this in the original post. I'd be curious to see what the full deal was.
Now there are some details about this specific auction that merit consideration, and actually there's some really interesting bidding theory about this start of the auction exactly, but I think this is beyond the Novice and Beginner forum.
#5
Posted Yesterday, 10:53
Jaybarnes, on 2025-July-28, 08:15, said:
The bidding went 1D - 1NT - 2C. I (responder) had 7 points with 4 clubs. I passed, I had nothing to show at two level. But I got c*****d out by my "expert" partner (This was in a quick 4-board tourney).
Does 2C over 1NT response carry some meaning I'm not aware of?
Does 2C over 1NT response carry some meaning I'm not aware of?
If your seven were the ace of diamonds and the king of clubs, you should _want_ to bid, possibly with false preference.
If they included the QJ of the majors, maybe not.
#6
Posted Yesterday, 13:36
Jaybarnes, on 2025-July-28, 08:15, said:
The bidding went 1D - 1NT - 2C. I (responder) had 7 points with 4 clubs. I passed, I had nothing to show at two level. But I got c*****d out by my "expert" partner (This was in a quick 4-board tourney).
Does 2C over 1NT response carry some meaning I'm not aware of?
Does 2C over 1NT response carry some meaning I'm not aware of?
Your expert partner should say nothing and talk about the hands after the game. Ignore them.
As far as raises after 2C?
It's complicated 😔
With weakish hand and some D support, rebid 2D.
I was taught a raise to 3C is weakish, a blocking bid.
With more and clubs, bid 2S.
In fact to get more complicated you can bid 2S with invitational in d or clubs, over 2S partner bids 2NT and you rebid your club or D support, tricky.
Your 1NT bid is limited, agree?
Your 1NT bid denied 4 spades, agree?
Bid 2NT with stoppers and invitational
values.
All of the above is one application, there are others.
Good luck.
#7
Posted Yesterday, 13:56
Jaybarnes, on 2025-July-28, 08:15, said:
But I got c*****d out by my "expert" partner (This was in a quick 4-board tourney).
Self proclaimed "experts" and "world class" on BBO usually means they learned the game yesterday, the same day they signed up for an account. While there are "real" experts on BBO, you probably aren't going to be playing with one of them in a 4 board tournament. You would not be far off by completely ignoring every one of them.
#8
Posted Yesterday, 14:18
Thank you all for your input. I am very far from a learner but am out of touch with modern styles and systems of bidding. If I thought there were any chance of game I would have continued bidding, but even if partner had max I still doubt we would have game. and clubs seemed as likely a part score as anything.
#9
Posted Yesterday, 15:11
DavidKok, on 2025-July-28, 08:33, said:
Personally I would pass with most hands with 7 HCP, 4 clubs and at most 2 diamonds. If you had a third diamond that would change the situation considerably. Unfortunately you did not list this in the original post. I'd be curious to see what the full deal was.
It's worth noting that it is impossible to hold 4 clubs and at most 2 diamonds in this auction, because then you would have a four card major and not have responded 1NT.
At least, it should be impossible; having looked up the hand record, I suspect the four card spade suit that was actually held was what the OP's partner was more upset about; either that or their own misclick of 2♣ holding a 6 card diamond suit and just 2 clubs. Unfortunately, in these types of tournaments, it's rare to find any hand resembling normal bridge - every result tends to be pretty much random.
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