[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2025-July-17, 15:37, said:

If they had already forced to game that should not exist, and if not I doubt it was a disaster that moved planets from their axis

They hadn't, 1♣-(2♠)-X-(3♠)-P-P-P 5♣ was solid, 3N wasn't

[P_Marlowe]

mikl_plkcc, on 2025-July-17, 16:34, said:

I either play the SAYC way of requiring only 3 cards for a limit raise, or use a gadget (3♦) for that. The loss of 1M - 3m, when playing 5-card major and not playing 2/1, is not a great problem as you seldom want to jump shift to the 3-level with a weak hand when opener guarantees 5 in the suit.

You have assigned the price tag to the loss of using a 3♦ other purposes.
The weak meaning is not the only possible option, we use it as showing a single suiter with exactly inv. strength.
This enables 3D in a seq.

1H - 2D
2H - 3D

as showing a strong single suiter, it also makes it simpler to play a 2/1 as always G/F eliminating some hands,
which would otherwise be forced to over (or under) bid.

Anyway not being able to use a specific bid for other things is a cost. And in a specific situation, you will say
the cost is ok, or you get more bang for the buck, by using the bid, you use it.

[pescetom]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-July-17, 22:50, said:

They hadn't, 1♣-(2♠)-X-(3♠)-P-P-P 5♣ was solid, 3N wasn't

I don't understand why they are doubling with fit

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2025-July-18, 14:46, said:

I don't understand why they are doubling with fit

because with 4 hearts and 4 clubs opposite a 2 card+ club, they don't know they have a club fit, unfortunately partner has 6 rather than 2 or 3 and a hand not worth another bid.