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strange bid: 4 c
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Posted 2025-June-02, 01:39
Double is a stranger bid.. yes, GIB always jumps to 4 of a minor with some values which is annoying as you already found know, though I can't see why you'd expect a double to lead to anything but disaster.
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Posted 2025-June-02, 02:33
So South was the human who decided to double rather than bidding 2♥? If it had been a normal takeout then 4♣ looks about right.
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Posted 2025-June-02, 03:01
I guess the underlying question is whether the raise by West modifies the duty of North to jump bid with some values. I would imagine yes (3C now should suffice, with Pass denying values) but I've never seen this formally discussed.
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Posted 2025-June-02, 03:55
I have learnt that double means a strongest hand more than 16 or an hand with the open with the majors or the other major. So dont understand 4 club
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Posted 2025-June-02, 04:40
cencio, on 2025-June-02, 03:55, said:
I have learnt that double means a strongest hand more than 16 or an hand with the open with the majors or the other major. So dont understand 4 club
It's usually takeout or negative 4-card or 18+. With 15-18 balancedish you can bid 1N and overcall with a 5-card non-takeout shape.
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Posted 2025-June-02, 07:39
Not strange at all. You double for take out, saying to partner "I've got about an opening and normally 4♥ and don't mind playing one of the other two suits."
Partner says "Ok, understood, we'll play 4♣." Makes perfect sense with his hand.
Partner says "Ok, understood, we'll play 4♣." Makes perfect sense with his hand.
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Posted 2025-June-02, 13:21
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Posted 2025-June-02, 17:15
pescetom, on 2025-June-02, 03:01, said:
I guess the underlying question is whether the raise by West modifies the duty of North to jump bid with some values. I would imagine yes (3C now should suffice, with Pass denying values) but I've never seen this formally discussed.
Agree, with a bad hand, North can just pass when West bids 2♠. Bidding at the 3 level shows values in this auction. I don't understand jumping to 4♣ just to show "values" at all, but since North is a GIB they don't have to make any sense.
Also, even a human partner may only have 2 clubs on occasion.
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