[jillybean]

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Do you want to, can you, stay out of 6?

[mike777]

jillybean, on 2025-April-26, 11:44, said:

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Do you want to, can you, stay out of 6?

Pretty easy to stay out of 6, may end up in five hearts.

[mw64ahw]

I'll end in 5♥ missing 2 keycards

[mycroft]

akwoo, on 2025-April-26, 10:56, said:

,,,I prefer that a third seat 1♥ could be ♠x ♥AKxxx ♦xxxx ♣xxx. (Okay I think the ACBL requires me to have another Jack.)

Nope, you're 7 HCP above the minimum agreement, thanks to the Usual Suspects over on That Other Site.

Originally, they said that, yes; but the C&CC got slippery-sloped (reasonably - your example *is* much better than almost all 8-counts that don't have trump suits to the AK) to the point where they realized this was a battle they were always going to lose. So now there is *no* strength requirement on the Open/+ convention charts for (Quasi-)Natural 1-suit bids *in third and fourth seats*. Go ahead, look for it. In fact, you could even agree that 1♥ in third seat is 0-5 or 11-15 (but not 6-10) - the rule on "pass stronger than opening" also only applies to first and second seat (didn't notice that one before).

And again...neither Alertable nor Pre-Alertable. It's on the card, right? :-)

[jillybean]

mycroft, on 2025-April-26, 12:49, said:

And again...neither Alertable nor Pre-Alertable. It's on the card, right? :-)

Which card is that? :-)

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This hand was played 6x in 4♥ and once , by the "top pair" in 6. North opened 1♣
Making 6 after ♦ lead, heart hook and favourable position of the ♣AQ

[akwoo]

mycroft, on 2025-April-26, 12:49, said:

And again...neither Alertable nor Pre-Alertable. It's on the card, right? :-)

We have the very light 3rd seat box checked. That doesn't disclose though, because intermediates think people checking that box occasionally open 9 counts and experts think people checking that box occasionally open 0 counts, and we're somewhere in between.

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2025-April-26, 13:14, said:

Which card is that? :-)

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This hand was played 6x in 4♥ and once , by the "top pair" in 6. North opened 1♣
Making 6 after ♦ lead, heart hook and favourable position of the ♣AQ

Position of club AQ irrelevant as long as S plays it, 3 clubs go on the diamonds and S's second one gets ruffed. Only interesting question is whether on a diamond lead if you lead Q♥ and W ducks without a quiver, you should overtake and take the spade finesse.

[jillybean]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-April-26, 14:06, said:

Position of club AQ irrelevant as long as S plays it, 3 clubs go on the diamonds and S's second one gets ruffed. Only interesting question is whether on a diamond lead if you lead Q♥ and W ducks without a quiver, you should overtake and take the spade finesse.

Oh, my forum play analysis sucks, I think I'm looking at it from North's perspective. (Joking)

"Only interesting question is whether on a diamond lead if you lead Q♥ and W ducks without a quiver, you should overtake and take the spade finesse."

I was wondering just this. The common "rule" I hear is if W doesn't play the K, he doesn't have it, but perhaps not on this layout. It's a pure guess unless there is some table feel, the slightest hitch.