[harikannan]

I hold:

xx
Txx
Kxx
KQJxx

Playing 2/1 at matchpoints, all white, after an opening pass by LHO, partner opens 1D. RHO passes and i bid 1NT. My LHO surprises with 2S now, which is doubled by partner and passed around to me. What is my bid? Thanks.

[mw64ahw]

It depends on your understanding of what the X means.

[harikannan]

Assuming double is showing some spade length and at least preponderance of values for our side, so 15+ HCP. Also, is this agreement a decent one? If not what would it mean in your system?

[Cyberyeti]

What's the 13th card, 2235 is only 12

[harikannan]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-April-17, 03:23, said:

What's the 13th card, 2235 is only 12

Thanks for pointing it out. Edited my post.

[Cyberyeti]

harikannan, on 2025-April-17, 03:13, said:

Assuming double is showing some spade length and at least preponderance of values for our side, so 15+ HCP. Also, is this agreement a decent one? If not what would it mean in your system?

X would be takeout for us.

Also a lot of the hands that fit your description would be opened 1N not 1♦ if you play 15-17.

[mw64ahw]

harikannan, on 2025-April-17, 03:13, said:

Assuming double is showing some spade length and at least preponderance of values for our side, so 15+ HCP. Also, is this agreement a decent one? If not what would it mean in your system?

I'll go for 3♠ although I'd want to see how many 8/9s I have

[harikannan]

mw64ahw, on 2025-April-17, 06:27, said:

I'll go for 3♠ although I'd want to see how many 8/9s I have

Thanks to both of you who clarified. The actual hand had plenty of 8s and 9s. I wanted to know what to bid even if there are dueces and treys. The hand was: 97, T87, K92, KQJ87.

[mikl_plkcc]

Double would be penalty for us. The reason is that the partner of the doubler has bid NT so it is pointless to ask him to choose a suit. Therefore, I pass.

[Cyberyeti]

mikl_plkcc, on 2025-April-17, 07:06, said:

Double would be penalty for us. The reason is that the partner of the doubler has bid NT so it is pointless to ask him to choose a suit. Therefore, I pass.

He's bid NT, but doesn't necessarily hold a balanced hand, so it's far from certain that it's pointless.

[mikl_plkcc]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-April-17, 07:51, said:

He's bid NT, but doesn't necessarily hold a balanced hand, so it's far from certain that it's pointless.

Doesn't a 1NT response over 1 of a minor opening promise a balanced hand?

In my agreement with my regular partner, under "when is a double penalty", there is a line saying that "After my partner has bid a natural NT" (note that the doubler bidding NT may still be takeout, suggesting 4432).

In this case, is a 1NT response to a 1-level opening natural?

[mw64ahw]

mikl_plkcc, on 2025-April-17, 08:18, said:

Doesn't a 1NT response over 1 of a minor opening promise a balanced hand?

In my agreement with my regular partner, under "when is a double penalty", there is a line saying that "After my partner has bid a natural NT" (note that the doubler bidding NT may still be takeout, suggesting 4432).

In this case, is a 1NT response to a 1-level opening natural?

For me 1N says I have a bid, but nothing else makes sense in whatever system I play.

Playing my Esoteric Unbalanced♦ it specifically means I've got 4/5♣.

[jillybean]

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What's going on with East?

[shyams]

jillybean, on 2025-April-17, 09:18, said:

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What's going on with East?

Some pairs have an agreement to not make a weak-2 opening bid holding a 4-card major as a side suit e.g. ♠KQ10864 ♥Q872 ♦32 ♣2.

Such a hand might justify East's "delayed weak 2" type action. Absent that, it looks like East is taking a very risky action.

[Cyberyeti]

mikl_plkcc, on 2025-April-17, 08:18, said:

Doesn't a 1NT response over 1 of a minor opening promise a balanced hand?

In my agreement with my regular partner, under "when is a double penalty", there is a line saying that "After my partner has bid a natural NT" (note that the doubler bidding NT may still be takeout, suggesting 4432).

In this case, is a 1NT response to a 1-level opening natural?

What do you do with a 2209 5 count ? If the answer is 3♣, many play this as some sort of raise.

[mw64ahw]

shyams, on 2025-April-17, 09:27, said:

Some pairs have an agreement to not make a weak-2 opening bid holding a 4-card major as a side suit e.g. ♠KQ10864 ♥Q872 ♦32 ♣2.

Such a hand might justify East's "delayed weak 2" type action. Absent that, it looks like East is taking a very risky action.

Could be 5 cards not quite good enough to open

[mw64ahw]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-April-17, 05:59, said:

X would be takeout for us.

Also a lot of the hands that fit your description would be opened 1N not 1♦ if you play 15-17.

It would be takeout for me too. Probably 1453/1354 and partner guesses we have a minor suit fit given the 1N bid. Shame if we have a weak 3325/3334 that wont make 3m

[pescetom]

shyams, on 2025-April-17, 09:27, said:

Some pairs have an agreement to not make a weak-2 opening bid holding a 4-card major as a side suit e.g. ♠KQ10864 ♥Q872 ♦32 ♣2.

Such a hand might justify East's "delayed weak 2" type action. Absent that, it looks like East is taking a very risky action.

I was about to say the same, but less diplomatically (I was taught to avoid a weak 6-4M and obeyed for years with increasing doubt, when I finally gave up the ghost it was a liberation).

[harikannan]

jillybean, on 2025-April-17, 09:18, said:

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What's going on with East?

East was 6=4 in majors