[jillybean]

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Marty Fleisher playing with Chip Martel, has doubled you.

Lead ♠A

Keep your head and plan the play.

[pescetom]

At this time of night I would just ruff the hearts lead, cash AK clubs and then the remaining cross-ruffs for down 1.
The morning may bring better ideas.

[akwoo]

Well, if diamonds are 2-2 and clubs are 3-3 I have a chance... and I'm still not going down more than 1:

Ruff the spade. Cash the clubs, ending in dummy. Ruff another spade. Ruff a heart, ruff a spade, ruff a heart, ruff a spade. Exit a club.

If diamonds are 2-2 and clubs are 3-3, I can still ruff the return, draw trumps, and cash the 13th club.

[pescetom]

akwoo, on 2024-December-02, 15:41, said:

Well, if diamonds are 2-2 and clubs are 3-3 I have a chance... and I'm still not going down more than 1:

Ruff the spade. Cash the clubs, ending in dummy. Ruff another spade. Ruff a heart, ruff a spade, ruff a heart, ruff a spade. Exit a club.

If diamonds are 2-2 and clubs are 3-3, I can still ruff the return, draw trumps, and cash the 13th club.

You are right of course.
It's a 14% chance a priori, but we probably have nothing to lose.

[jillybean]

https://www.bridgeba...ch.php?id=85784

You can see the play here, board 26 Open Room
clubs 3-3!

[pescetom]

jillybean, on 2024-December-02, 22:07, said:

https://www.bridgeba...ch.php?id=85784

You can see the play here, board 26 Open Room
clubs 3-3!

Very interesting, thanks.
I may be wrong but don't think it even requires clubs 3-3, given the freak layout.
The unbalanced diamonds opening pays well as often, a bit puzzled about 2♠ as "limit raise or better for ♦".
If that is all there is to it, then what would 2♥ have been?
And if there was more to it, then maybe Martel might have an MI case for the disastrous lead of spades rather than hearts?
Hope Mikeh will comment on agreements and implications here.

[mike777]

pescetom, on 2024-December-04, 13:49, said:

Very interesting, thanks.
I may be wrong but don't think it even requires clubs 3-3, given the freak layout.
The unbalanced diamonds opening pays well as often, a bit puzzled about 2♠ as "limit raise ♦".
If that is all there is to it, then what would 2♥ have been?
And if there was more to it, then maybe Martel might have an MI case for the disastrous lead of spades rather than hearts?
Hope Mikeh will comment on agreements and implications here.

If it matters 2S alerted as Limit+

[pescetom]

mike777, on 2024-December-04, 13:58, said:

If it matters 2S alerted as Limit+

Corrected in my post, thanks. But I doubt it matters, the question is whether it was complete (and inferences from alternatives were disclosed).

[mike777]

pescetom, on 2024-December-04, 14:01, said:

Corrected in my post, thanks. But I doubt it matters, the question is whether it was complete (and inferences from alternatives were disclosed).

Great question, I am going to guess system on over 1H overcall?
you would think 2h=limit, 2s=gf??

[pescetom]

mike777, on 2024-December-04, 14:12, said:

Great question, I am going to guess system on over 1H overcall?
you would think 2h=limit, 2s=gf??

No idea. But if both were available and the other would shed light on this one, there is a potential problem.
Just as if this one says anything about spades.

[mike777]

pescetom, on 2024-December-04, 15:25, said:

No idea. But if both were available and the other would shed light on this one, there is a potential problem.
Just as if this one says anything about spades.

fwiw I do play 1m=2S as limit raise in minor, says nothing about spades except you never or almost never have 4 of major.
same over 1H overcall I assume, ease on my old memory cells

[jillybean]

What we receive on the hand record is of course the VG Operators version/understanding of the bid.
I very much doubt there was any MI.
These guys are playing behind screens, I am certain they will have exchanged fully completed convention cards and described the bid to their screen mates in full.

[jillybean]

pescetom, on 2024-December-04, 13:49, said:

Very interesting, thanks.
I may be wrong but don't think it even requires clubs 3-3, given the freak layout.
The unbalanced diamonds opening pays well as often, a bit puzzled about 2♠ as "limit raise or better for ♦".
If that is all there is to it, then what would 2♥ have been?
And if there was more to it, then maybe Martel might have an MI case for the disastrous lead of spades rather than hearts?
Hope Mikeh will comment on agreements and implications here.

The 9♣ was the 12th trick, what am I missing?

[mikeh]

Sorry. Been busy playing. As for the hand, I made a mistake. After 1C (1H) 2S is limit plus in clubs but after 1D (1H) 2S is a fit showing bid in clubs and diamonds….usually 4=5 or better, invitational r better. My correct bid was 3C, transfer limit raise in diamonds. We do have a fairly complicated system, lol.

So Gord understandably got excited about the double fit. Martel is a truly WC player, far better than I am, so it takes a certain amount of chutzpah to criticize him but I think a trump lead is 110% clear.

But they got their revenge….they blitzed us ��

[pescetom]

 mikeh, on 2024-December-04, 22:06, said:

Sorry. Been busy playing. As for the hand, I made a mistake. After 1C (1H) 2S is limit plus in clubs but after 1D (1H) 2S is a fit showing bid in clubs and diamonds….usually 4=5 or better, invitational r better. My correct bid was 3C, transfer limit raise in diamonds. We do have a fairly complicated system, lol.

So Gord understandably got excited about the double fit. Martel is a truly WC player, far better than I am, so it takes a certain amount of chutzpah to criticize him but I think a trump lead is 110% clear.

Thanks, makes perfect sense and I expected no less.