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Posted 2024-November-24, 18:05



I'm so happy to have a partner who opens 1

Your partner will show a minimum hand with no shortage. How does your auction proceed?
I'll show you my auction later.
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Posted 2024-November-24, 18:20

For me (and BWS) this is a perfect spot for a 2 Soloway, followed by bidding clubs to show heart support with club shortness.
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Posted 2024-November-24, 18:34

Wow great problem ty for posting.
Bergen 2NT

If partner has denied a decent minimum with a minor suit control or even a decent minimum at all by rebidding 4H, I guess I pass with this monster. 🙁 ☹️
Even better is a cuebid by me in Diamonds. Zia style..then 6h or 7H
Ax..QJxxx..JX..QJXx
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Posted 2024-November-24, 18:35

View Postsmerriman, on 2024-November-24, 18:20, said:

For me (and BWS) this is a perfect spot for a 2 Soloway, followed by bidding clubs to show heart support with club shortness.




Does Soloway SJS force a cue bid from partner?
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Posted 2024-November-24, 18:56

Alternatively if concerns of a lead director double of 5D, over 4h bid 7H
Good luck 🤞
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Posted 2024-November-24, 19:03

View Postjillybean, on 2024-November-24, 18:35, said:

Does Soloway SJS force a cue bid from partner?

SJS shows one of three strong hands - balanced, one-suited, or with support for partner. North bids the cheapest 2NT as a relay, and South's new suit bid of 3 shows it's a club splinter. Partner now knows we have good spades, heart support, and short clubs, and we're still at the 3 level. So yes, cuebidding from there.
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Posted 2024-November-24, 19:26

View Postsmerriman, on 2024-November-24, 19:03, said:

SJS shows one of three strong hands - balanced, one-suited, or with support for partner. North bids the cheapest 2NT as a relay, and South's new suit bid of 3 shows it's a club splinter. Partner now knows we have good spades, heart support, and short clubs, and we're still at the 3 level. So yes, cuebidding from there.



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Posted 2024-November-24, 19:33

View Postmike777, on 2024-November-24, 18:34, said:

Wow great problem ty for posting.
Bergen 2NT

If partner has denied a decent minimum with a minor suit control or even a decent minimum at all by rebidding 4H, I guess I pass with this monster. 🙁 ☹️
Even better is a cuebid by me in Diamonds. Zia style..then 6h or 7H
Ax..QJxxx..JX..QJXx

Jacoby. FYP !
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Posted 2024-November-24, 20:05

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Keep going, 3. If partner bids 3, I'll bid 4 and find out if they have the second diamond control. If partner is missing the spade ace and cues 4, it has to be the ace (can't be the king opposite shortness), so this is probably where I'm meant to bid 4 and partner will bid on with both aces, since I've basically told him my entire hand already.
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Posted 2024-November-24, 20:39



Are you looking for AK second diamond control, or could 4 confirm first round control?
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Posted 2024-November-24, 21:04

I play 1-2 to keep responses symmetrical with 1 -2N.
After that 2N shows a minimum (I play lim+) and a 3 1st/2nd round control will start the slam try sequence.

In fact I also have a void showing jump on my card, but it has yet to be used.
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Posted 2024-November-24, 21:52

 jillybean, on 2024-November-24, 20:39, said:

Are you looking for AK second diamond control, or could 4 confirm first round control?

Cuebidding the same suit twice should show both as far as I'm aware. But if partner has the ace of diamonds and ace of spades surely they have enough info to take control by now.
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Posted 2024-November-24, 22:36



The method I learned, bidding the same cue again would confirm first round control
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Posted 2024-November-25, 02:40

 jillybean, on 2024-November-24, 22:36, said:



The method I learned, bidding the same cue again would confirm first round control

If you throw a keycard action into the mix then you are potentially showing the same card 3 times.
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Posted 2024-November-25, 03:27

WE play a different version of SJS, my options would be:

2 single suited rock crusher or GF 5/4. Rebids 2N less than Q/xx anything else shaping out. WE also play a weak NT which includes all 5332s so partner won't hold that.

4 optional voidwood
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Posted 2024-November-25, 06:53

 jillybean, on 2024-November-24, 22:36, said:



The method I learned, bidding the same cue again would confirm first round control


Make a list of everything that person taught you and fact check it all carefully :)
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Posted 2024-November-25, 09:39

My available methods are not so exotic here, but I expect they will work out all the same.
The low road is to respond 1, but I need detail about hearts not spades and so would go for a 2 semi-artificial game force instead.
From what you leaked so far I would guess it starts:



and the next bid is probably 4N showing even keycards and diamonds control.
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Posted 2024-November-25, 09:53

 jillybean, on 2024-November-24, 18:05, said:



I'm so happy to have a partner who opens 1

Your partner will show a minimum hand with no shortage. How does your auction proceed?
I'll show you my auction later.

What's your J2NT structure? When you say partner showed a minimum hand with no shortage, do you mean he bid 4, either directly or after some kind of relay? Do you have any agreed-upon followups? I think this hand is difficult after a 4 rebid by opener.
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Posted 2024-November-25, 10:24

 jdiana, on 2024-November-25, 09:53, said:

What's your J2NT structure? When you say partner showed a minimum hand with no shortage, do you mean he bid 4, either directly or after some kind of relay? Do you have any agreed-upon followups? I think this hand is difficult after a 4 rebid by opener.

I intentionally left it open to accomodate all versions of Jacoby. My current version would elicit a 3D response showing 'any hand , no shortage'. There's better response structures identifying no shortage, extras.
At the table, (pickup BBO) the auction started 1H:2nt 3nt. :o
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Posted 2024-November-25, 10:30

Here's the hand and my, somewhat forced, auction.



At my table, the auction was not tortured; 1 2nt 3nt 6
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