[blackshoe]

Patience is a virtue.

[pescetom]

blackshoe, on 2024-October-14, 12:17, said:

Patience is a virtue.

often abused by opponents.

[johnu]

blackshoe, on 2024-October-14, 12:17, said:

Patience is a virtue.

Only vaguely relevant to your comment, but I reported 3 pairs to the ACBL recorder for cheating during the time when online games were thriving on BBO based on data from Nicolas Hammond's computer software. All 3 pairs were outrageously blatant about their cheating. This was around 3 years ago.

One of the 3 pairs was recently suspended by the ACBL, but I'm pretty sure my recorder reports had little to do with that and that EDGAR was the basis for their punishment. I've seen nothing about the other 2 pairs. With Covid and the average high ages of ACBL members, I suppose they could have died, but more likely EDGAR hasn't got around to analyzing their results. All 3 pairs could have, and should have been suspended 3 years ago, but I'll take a partial win that one pair was caught and penalized.

[0 carbon]

phoenixmj, on 2024-October-05, 13:49, said:

Love the pic of Kili. My husband and I also "summited" Kili about 18 years ago. It was great fun. We did Shira Plateau route and truly enjoyed the experience, followed by a relaxing week on safari.

We preceded with 3 weeks of safari & a climb of Mt. Meru.

[mydora]

hrothgar, on 2024-September-23, 12:55, said:

> How many players stopped playing or reduced playing because they felt cheated and nothing was done about it?


This is the key point

I hear so much discussion about the poor confused old people who didn't understand that their decisions degraded the game for everyone else

Nail their hides to the wall!

FWIW, the punishments that are being handed down are a slap on the wrist

Really? A slap on the wrist? Especially if you were never notified and never given an opportunity? YOU may not care, but being 80+ and banned for a year is NOT a slap on the wrist. Wait till YOU, if you're lucky, get there.

[jillybean]

Notified of what, the rules or of EDGAR watching you?
You do have the opportunity to prove your innocence after charges are laid.

After being caught by EDGAR , you are still able to play in non sanctioned games, correct?

Are we waiting to get to 80, or get caught cheating?

[jillybean]

I notice during the first 3 months of 2025, EDGAR has caught numerous players who are now banned for various lengths of time.
I haven’t counted , but there are already pages of names. I’m interested to know if there are any stats on these players, are they online only p,Ayer’s, or do they also play in clubs?
If the latter, clubs are going to be really feeling the pinch, having just got through the Covid struggle. I’m not suggesting we condone the cheating but I do wonder where this will end.

[barmar]

There have been a number of letters to the editor of the ACBL Bulletin over whether punishment for online-only cheating should include banning them from f2f games.

[jillybean]

Yes, I've always wondered why we condone cheating f2f but when these players use that old black magic online, we punish them.
I don't get the Bulletin, I'm not a member.

[mycroft]

JohnU: according to R7 director, the latest tranche of disciplinaries were at least half "players reported via recorder forms" (and tested) and half "the next set of ACBL players in order."


Jillybean: for the same reason that cheating convictions spiked massively when poker went online, and why more people are caught and penalized on chess.com in a month than in FIDE FtF tournaments in a year (decade?): massively more data available, even months later, and in a format suitable for automatic statistical analysis (Hammond, Edgar). No "he said, she said"; no "director called over later, who determined these facts", not even "cameras available for body language and timing, but it's 40-feet away and you can see red and black on the white cards".

OBM is OBM, and we do what we can; you just have to deal with the fact that it might be easier to cheat online (I might dispute that, but for argument's sake), but it's a lot easier to be convicted of cheating online.

[johnu]

mydora, on 2025-April-01, 19:46, said:

Really? A slap on the wrist? Especially if you were never notified and never given an opportunity?

What notification? That cheating is wrong and that you could be suspended from ACBL tournaments? What opportunity? An opportunity to stop cheating after being caught?