[microcap]

I was playing with a star partner [in what galaxy I am not sure]. I opened 1♠ and he [and now you] held the following

Scoring: IMP

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What is your first bid and how would you think about this auction?

[mike777]

2clubs followed by repeated h bids seems normal.

[Double !]

mike777, on Jul 2 2005, 12:23 PM, said:

2clubs followed by repeated h bids seems normal.

agree
what else? Bid 2H first? I don't think so.
why can't I just bid my hands normally?

[whereagles]

Double !, on Jul 2 2005, 06:16 PM, said:

why can't I just bid my hands normally?

Because you need to plan ahead. You have to think what to do if pard rebids spades, which seems very likely from our hand.

If you're willing to rebid hearts at the 4 level, then go ahead and bid 2♣. If on the other hand you're not willing to do that, bid 2♥.

[luke warm]

2C seems normal to me... over 2S, 3H should show the 5/6 hand

[whereagles]

Yes, but... are you sure pard will take 3♥ as a 6-5 or just bidding shape with a mere 5-4?

[P_Marlowe]

whereagles, on Jul 2 2005, 02:28 PM, said:

Yes, but... are you sure pard will take 3♥ as a 6-5 or just bidding shape with a mere 5-4?

Hi,

3H does not show 6-5, but if I bid 4H over
3S or 3 NT, then I show 6-5.
The 3H bid just shows some values, angling
for 3NT.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[flytoox]

whereagles, on Jul 2 2005, 06:40 PM, said:

Double !, on Jul 2 2005, 06:16 PM, said:

why can't I just bid my hands normally?

Because you need to plan ahead.

Why 2C then 3H is not planning ahead? What if Pd bid 3D over 2H?

[whereagles]

I'm not saying 2♥ is better than 2♣. I'm merely pointing out hands should be bid with a plan in mind, not just following automatic rules.

[Double !]

1) not following any rules, per se, with no foresight.
2) regarding whether or not rebidding 3H over 2S shows 4 or 5: is opener rebidding 2H with 6-4, with some 6-4, or not at all? That influences how I respond with this hand.
3) I have a lot of controls, not just hcp. I am probably willing to rebid hearts twice and then subside if partner has absolutely no fit. ...........and, who is to say that opener is necessarily rebidding 2S?
4) I don't wish to get into debate about whether or not 2NT by opener shows extra values: my style is that it doesn't. But, I can easily rebid 3H/2NT to show 5-6.
If you want to respond 2H initially because to respond 2 clubs creates problems when opener is 5332 with a minimum and rebids 2S as a default rebid, well, then this is an issue of rebid philosophy, not judgment/ planning.

[microcap]

Mr. Star Player bid 2♥, then got a 3♦ rebid from me. Then he bid 4♣, followed by my 4!D. Now what would you bid?

[Double !]

IMO, Mr Star player got what he/she asked for

Gee, if P had responded 2C, he/she could rebid 2 & then 3Hts
How about that?

[cherdano]

microcap, on Jul 3 2005, 12:48 AM, said:

Mr. Star Player bid 2♥, then got a 3♦ rebid from me. Then he bid 4♣, followed by my 4!D. Now what would you bid?

UNDO.

[whereagles]

If it follows

1♠ 2♥
3♦ 4♣
4♦

then I think I bid 4NT. To play. Things have gone very wrong. It would have sooo much been better not to try the clubs after 3♦. A 3NT was absolutely necessary at that stage. Strong hands with misfit are amongst the biggest overbidding traps out there.

[microcap]

THE DENOUEMENT

Mr. Star Player bid 4♥!

I had opened with

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. I passed naturally, figuring that ♥ would play better than anything else.

BTW, the other room, with two star players bidding, went 1♠-2♣-2♦-2♥-3♦-3♥-3NT making 4.

We went down as the hearts broke badly.

Mr. Star Player berated me viciously for not bidding 4♠. It was as unpleasant an experience as I have had on BBO. For any star players who are reading this, you have an obligation to be leaders of the bridge community and to be extra sensitive ambassadors of the game. As it turns out, he quit the match later in a huff and it never got finished.

[whereagles]

It's not surprising people can't behave. It's a shame, yes, but that's life. And experts are no better than others.

Anyway, this so-called expert scored in this board scored ZERO for hand evaluation. 4♣ is a wild bid on a dangerous situations, which got what it deserved.

[Winstonm]

I believe that BBO should remove the "star" from those who don't conduct themselves in a pleasant manner at all times - being a "star" at bridge does NOT mean that you have conquered life. I've known some pretty low-life "stars" who have played with doctors, nurses, attorneys, and the like, and I've never understood why they equate bridge skills with life skills. Maybe we should lobby for a "black star", meaning the person can play but is a jerk. Then all the black stars can play together and jerk themselves to death.

[Fluffy]

4♣ and 4♦ are wrong bids, you both have to trtyto sing off in a playable contract: 3NT for him, 4♠ for you.

[Double !]

Jlall, on Jul 3 2005, 03:00 AM, said:

I have a silly rule. With game forcing hands bid your longest suit.

agree
apparently some feel that this is not a good rule