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#1 User is offline   Winstonm 

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Posted 2021-September-21, 15:23

Playing imp pairs, vul against vul, you pick up this hand with a non-regular partner with whom you've agreed to play a basic 2/1. What's your rebid?

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Posted 2021-September-21, 15:51

If it were a hand I wanted to force to game, I would bid 3 with this shape.

But the club king isn't worth much, so it's just an invitational 3 for me.
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Posted 2021-September-21, 16:52

Is 1NT non-forcing, semi-forcing or perhaps forcing?

Hands like this are why people play Gazzilli. There is no clean answer in standard. 3 looks OK to me, although we might miss a 5-3 heart fit. 2NT is maybe even better (singleton club king looks like a doubleton). This hand is very soft anyway. Put me down for 2NT, I have my "I had a spade in with my clubs" locked and loaded for the post-mortem.
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Posted 2021-September-21, 17:01


Winstonm' Playing imp pairs, vul against vul, you pick up this hand with a non-regular partner with whom you've agreed basic a basic 2/1. What's your rebid?'
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1. 2N = BAL 18-19.
2. 3N = NAT Implies good . K might be useful.
3. 3 = Good hand good suit.

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Posted 2021-September-21, 21:16

Partner shouldn't bid 3NT with a void spade, so opener with "can play opposite a small stiff" can pull it. At least that's what I've been taught.
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Posted 2021-September-21, 21:22

The reason for the question:

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Posted 2021-September-22, 01:22

View PostWinstonm, on 2021-September-21, 21:22, said:

The reason for the question:

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As a Gazzilli user, although it helps describe opener's hand better it just transfers the problem to North in this case. In the traditional version of Gazzilli, I can show a balanced hand with five spades and three hearts, or six spades with three hearts, and 16-17 points or 18-20 depending on your valuation. Some variants may remove the strong balanced option with only five spades.

North now has to guess what is best. You are in a better position, but you are still guessing. I expect we'd get to four hearts, but we have invested a lot of time into the convention.

[I should have added that I could not have a balanced hand with six spades and two hearts, since this is the meaning of a 3NT rebid]

This post has been edited by paulg: 2021-September-22, 05:54

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Posted 2021-September-22, 05:06

I think this sort of hand opposite is precisely why 2NT is preferred over 3 with this hand.
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Posted 2021-September-22, 05:40

View PostDavidKok, on 2021-September-22, 05:06, said:

I think this sort of hand opposite is precisely why 2NT is preferred over 3 with this hand.

You could be in trouble opposite a Weak 2443.

I still prefer to show the Strong hand with 6+, but would bid 3NT opposite with 8hcp and the singleton . Partner can always correct to 4 with a self-sustaining suit.

Otherwise with a 2 agreement available that's my preference.
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Posted 2021-September-24, 08:40



nullve(S)-nullve(N)

1(1)-1N(2)
2(3)-2(4)
2N(5)-3(6)
3(7)-3(8)
4(9)-P

(1) "10-21, 5+ S, unBAL"
(2) "5-12, NF"
(3) Gazzilli-like: "10-15, 4+ H" OR "16-18, any"
(4) "8+, relay"
(5) "16-18, either 4+ C or 1-suited"
(6) "relay"
(7) "1-suited"
(9) "5(+) H"
(9) "3 H, not a particularly good hand in context"
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Posted 2021-September-24, 17:45

I'm bidding 3. Partner is allowed to have Kx xxx Qxx xxxxx which makes 4 spades and wouldn't accept the 3 invite.
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Posted 2021-September-24, 17:55

View Postakwoo, on 2021-September-24, 17:45, said:

I'm bidding 3. Partner is allowed to have Kx xxx Qxx xxxxx which makes 4 spades and wouldn't accept the 3 invite.

Partner is allowed to have that hand, but even if you get a 3-2 trump break and the Ace of hearts is onside, you still haven't made 4 yet?

There are plenty more hands partner is allowed to have which are worse too..
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Posted 2021-September-24, 22:54

The obvious answer from a bidding perspective is Gaz or transfer rebids. Gaz sequences have already been given; in transfers 2 followed by 2NT is a reasonable description of this hand. The "best" auction I can come up with in Standard is 1 - 1NT -- 2 - 3 -- 3 - 4, but I am certain I would not be trying anything like that with a random pick-up. Hiding the 6th spade is quite appealing when you can see this hand opposite but there are plenty of other hands where doing so will be sub-optimal.
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