[inquiry]

Scoring: IMP

BPO-OO3F

West  North  East  South

 (1♣) 2♠ (Pass) ?

your bid as South

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[hrothgar]

BPO-003F: 3NT

Partner made a weak jump overcall. I have a 3 count. The opponents have a vulnerable slam and we're white. My King ain't gonna be worth anything on defense cause its in partner's suit.

The ONLY question to consider is how do we cause the opponents the most difficulty. 3NT is the best way to do so. With luck, both RHO and LHO will place me for all the extra values that are actually sitting in their partner's hand. If we're REALLY lucky, LHO will have a running suit and be too “smart” to double 3NT and allow use to run to 4S. If the opponent's do double, 4SX shouldn't be too painful.

(There is one other question to consider which is where are all the points? Normally I would suspect that RHOhas a trap pass which suggests moving very carefully, however, between my Spades and partners its hard to construct hands when RHO has good enough Spades to penalty doubles at the 2 level)

[joker_gib]

4♠

Minimum room and maximum pressure on opps !

Alain

[P_Marlowe]

3S.

For anything else I am to dull or to old.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[ochinko]

Why did I bid 3Sp? Undo! Undo!

<H. Simpson>It wasn't me. Nobody saw me. You can't prove anything.

4Sp, of course. Sorry, partner.

Petko

[han]

3S.

My partner often has only 5 spades at this vulnerability, so I'm not going to stretch further.

[kgr]

3♠.
I would have bid 4♠ with less ♥'s.

[mike777]

3s
If P has 8 Working Pts (WP) and 6232 shape I can see us only taking 6 tricks on offense.
With RHO passing perhaps that shape is a bit more likely?

Anti law=13-4-3

[joker_gib]

mike777, on Jun 14 2005, 05:15 PM, said:

3s
If P has 8 Working Pts (WP) and 6232 shape I can see us only taking 6 tricks on offense.
With RHO passing perhaps that shape is a bit more likely?

Anti law=13-4-3

At this vul, even down 5 = 1400 is still good if they have a small slam !

Alain

[pclayton]

Only 3♠. Years of -800's and -1100's have convinced me this is right. Pard always turns up with a slow diamond trick and we have a cashing spade.

I'm not at all convinced they have a slam. RHO passed vulnerable and he's not trapping. LHO didn't open 2♣. Seems like a 30 point deck, but I expect pard to be undisciplined at these colors.

[luis]

How can you vote? I can't believe it. I think this problem depends 100% on partnership style so it's not really a judgment problem. I did vote but I strongly objected the problem.

[Walddk]

I had a bigger problem, because I got that hand with the wrong format. Looked to me that the vulnerability was reversed. My vote would not have been the same non vulnerable against vul.

Roland

[inquiry]

Walddk, on Jun 14 2005, 01:53 PM, said:

I had a bigger problem, because I got that hand with the wrong format. Looked to me that the vulnerability was reversed. My vote would not have been the same non vulnerable against vul.

Roland

Well, time for confession on this one.. What Roland is talking about is that I used the excellent tool linconverter.exe to convert a real world BBO hand into a problem. In doing so, I got screwed up.. this is how the problem appeared to the panelist....complete with a courier tag that shouldn't have been there...

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Scoring: IMP

BPO-OO3F

West North East South

  - 1♣ 2♠ Pass
? your bid

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As you can see, the panelist were put in the West seat and had to come up with a bid... But you will notice, that as given to the panelist, the vulnerabilyt and everything else is the same.. that is, you are not vul, they are vul... so Roland is mistaken about the vul.

But in doing this, I didn't present the problem I had intended. The problem I wanted to give was a hand that was failry good with spade support and rather or not you would pass, trusting your partner to be very weak at this vul, invite game, or yes force to game. But in the process I showed opener's partner's hand by mistake. I didn't catch it until it was too late. But still, this hand became somewhat intereting by accident, as there are some interesting views.....so we ended up being stuck with it... hope I am more careful in the future when using linconverter.

Ben

[HeartA]

joker_gib, on Jun 14 2005, 08:39 AM, said:

4♠

Minimum room and maximum pressure on opps !

Alain

Yes, 4♠.

[Double !]

3 spades
gotta look at whole hand
your 4 hearts make it unlikely that opps are bidding game or slam in hearts, and your hand is flat. LOL, and partner could be on a real rag at favorable and took a risk: let the pre-empt do its work.

[Winstonm]

I have neither the shape nor the length in spades to want to get too high - this is not a hand with which I want to sacrifice unless forced to do so. My RHO couldn't even muster a negative double, so LHO must be loaded for bear - and it's going to be hard for him to describe his hand - that plus my heart/diamond holdings suggest opponents best spot will be in clubs; club slams are not easy to find opposite passing partners when opener failed to start with 2C.

If I start jumping around, I'll actually help the opponents place the high cards and singleton spades and have a more accurate auction; hence, the bid I can make that puts the most pressure on the opponents is: pass.

And that's what I do.

WinstonM

[luke warm]

i voted for 3♠ because i love the bid... opener has a big decision facing a passed partner... i think 3♠ is high enough to buy the hand and is less likely to be doubled

[Rebound]

Call me wimpy, but no one ever got shot for passing with a weak hand. ;-)

[Double !]

Rebound, on Jun 14 2005, 08:46 PM, said:

Call me wimpy, but no one ever got shot for passing with a weak hand. ;-)

not wimpy
but,
what do you want partner to lead at trick 1?

[fifee]

Ben, I think your converter would be much better if we could line up who is bidding what.

4♠ is my choice if pd is making a weak jump overcall since we have 6♠ for that bid and very little outside. Opponents could definitely be headed for slam.

Patricia Anderson