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Hand Two - 1981 Bermuda Bowl What do you bid now?

#1 User is offline   Winstonm 

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Posted 2021-July-07, 13:21



What do you bid and where is this going? (Imposed system is plain 2/1 and 1NT is still forcing by a passed hand.)
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Posted 2021-July-07, 13:37

What's the system here ? were 1N/2 forcing ?
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Posted 2021-July-07, 17:59

View PostCyberyeti, on 2021-July-07, 13:37, said:

What's the system here ? were 1N/2 forcing ?


Yes, sorry. The system imposed is a plain 2/1 so 1NT even as a passed hand is forcing. Everything else in this sequence is natural.
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Posted 2021-July-08, 00:51

I guess 5134/5044/5035 with 17+hcp.

With the singletons working I bid 4 looking for the marginal slam if North has extras
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Posted 2021-July-08, 02:21

View PostWinstonm, on 2021-July-07, 17:59, said:

Yes, sorry. The system imposed is a plain 2/1 so 1NT even as a passed hand is forcing. Everything else in this sequence is natural.


I'm struggling with a hand that bids a NF 2 then what looks like a GF 3 when I haven't shown any extras.
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Posted 2021-July-08, 03:04

View Postmw64ahw, on 2021-July-08, 00:51, said:

I guess 5134/5044/5035 with 17+hcp.

With the singletons working I bid 4 looking for the marginal slam if North has extras
For me 4 would be NF here. I'll bid 4, confirming diamonds.

View PostCyberyeti, on 2021-July-08, 02:21, said:

I'm struggling with a hand that bids a NF 2 then what looks like a GF 3 when I haven't shown any extras.
I think you can pass 3 (without prior agreement, alternatively 3 could be a probe for 4 with, say, 6=0=3=4) and then it should be forcing), or opt for 3 NF.
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Posted 2021-July-08, 03:07

View PostCyberyeti, on 2021-July-08, 02:21, said:

I'm struggling with a hand that bids a NF 2 then what looks like a GF 3 when I haven't shown any extras.

Good point - possibly a distributional strong, but hcp light hand i.e. 5044 with 15/16 hcp



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Posted 2021-July-08, 03:18

View Postmw64ahw, on 2021-July-08, 00:51, said:

I guess 5134/5044/5035 with 17+hcp.

With the singletons working I bid 4 looking for the marginal slam if North has extras

With 5134 and INV values only: 1-1N; 2-2; 2N = INV, 5S4C3-H

With 5134 and GF values: 1-1N; 3 = NAT GF

With 5044 and INV values: either as with 5134 or 1-1N; 2, intending to rebid either 2N (INV, 5S4D3-H) or 3 (INV, 5044?)

With 5044 and GF values: either as with 5134 or 1-1N; 3 = NAT GF

With 5035 and INV values: 1-1N; 2-2; 3 = INV, 5+ C

With 5035 and GF values: 1-1N; 3 = NAT GF

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My guess is that partner intended 3 as F3 with 6034 (e.g. AKxxxx-void-Axx-Axxx).

My call: 4.
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Posted 2021-July-08, 03:36

4H
"definitely that's what I like to play when I'm playing standard - I want to be able to bid diamonds because bidding good suits is important in bridge" - Meckstroth's opinion on weak 2 diamond
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Posted 2021-July-08, 03:50

View Postnullve, on 2021-July-08, 03:18, said:

With 5134 and INV values only: 1-1N; 2-2; 2N = INV, 5S4C3-H

With 5134 and GF values: 1-1N; 3 = NAT GF

With 5044 and INV values: either as with 5134 or 1-1N; 2, intending to rebid either 2N (INV, 5S4D3-H) or 3 (INV, 5044?)

With 5044 and GF values: either as with 5134 or 1-1N; 3 = NAT GF

With 5035 and INV values: 1-1N; 2-2; 3 = INV, 5+ C

With 5035 and GF values: 1-1N; 3 = NAT GF

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My guess is that partner intended 3 as F3 with 6034 (e.g. AKxxxx-void-Axx-Axxx).

My call: 4.

I play the 2 as a relay with the relay break of 2 showing weak with 3+. Then 3 5134, 3 5314 & 3 other shapes.

In this case 2 is NF so a bit of a guess as to the meaning of 3
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Posted 2021-July-08, 06:32

difficult. 3 looks good bid. partner should know that if you had a 6 bagger with your 1NT bid then you would have bid it after his 2 other than preference to 2. or alternative, you might have opened 2 weak vul. I think, by inference, 3 in this sequence shows control, good fit for and a bit more than minimum 1NT response. Slam needs specific cards and luck I feel but partner might prefer 5to 4 with good 5044/5134 shape. If I had good 6 card suit as opener I would rebid it, not bid 2 btw.
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Posted 2021-July-08, 08:20

View PostLBengtsson, on 2021-July-08, 06:32, said:

difficult. 3 looks good bid. partner should know that if you had a 6 bagger with your 1NT bid then you would have bid it after his 2 other than preference to 2. or alternative, you might have opened 2 weak vul. I think, by inference, 3 in this sequence shows control, good fit for and a bit more than minimum 1NT response. Slam needs specific cards and luck I feel but partner might prefer 5to 4 with good 5044/5134 shape. If I had good 6 card suit as opener I would rebid it, not bid 2 btw.


Justin was one of the responders in this quiz. He bid 3H:


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Justin Lall: Wow, I have a great hand now. I'll give up on 3 NT and make an advance cue-bid; next I'll bid diamonds.

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Posted 2021-July-08, 08:39

For a bonus, try to guess what card was the setting trick after heart lead.


Once again Bobby Levin was sitting in the hot seat - North. East was Zia.
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Posted 2021-July-10, 11:08

View Postmw64ahw, on 2021-July-08, 03:07, said:

Good point - possibly a distributional strong, but hcp light hand i.e. 5044 with 15/16 hcp

Doesn't 5=0=4=4 bid 2 at second turn? 2 loses the diamond suit unconditionally.

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Posted 2021-July-10, 11:44

View Postbluenikki, on 2021-July-10, 11:08, said:

Doesn't 5=0=4=4 bid 2 at second turn? 2 loses the diamond suit unconditionally.

Carl

2C allows partner to introduce diamonds with a 6-bagger but 2D shuts out a 6-card club suit. You could end in the 4-3 diamond fit instead of the 6-4 club fit.
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Posted 2021-July-16, 09:04

View PostWinstonm, on 2021-July-08, 08:20, said:

Justin was one of the responders in this quiz. He bid 3H:

This one seems like a matter of partnership agreement. For some an immediate 4 would be invitational while 3 followed by 4 would be a slam try. For others the immediate 4 would be a slam try while 3 followed by 4 (at least after a non-3NT call) would be passable. Finally Justin apparently plays a direct 4 as a slam try without a control and 3 followed by 4 as a slam try with a control.

I prefer Method 2 generally, since in many auctions (albeit not this one) it keeps 3NT in the picture opposite a stopper when I do not have enough for 5 otherwise. So my choice is 4 but playing either of the alternative methods obviously 3 would then be better. I very much dislike Levin's 5!
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