[pescetom]

MP.

Hand diagram

Everyone was in spades here, several in 6♠-1.
Anyone have methods that would find 6♦ making instead?

[nige1]

Pescetom "MP. Everyone was in spades here, several in 6♠-1. Anyone have methods that would find 6♦ making instead?"
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I'd open 2♣. Can't concoct a convincing auction. 2 patently contrived efforts ...

1♠ - 2♠
4♥ - 4♠ : (SPL S/T Short ♥) -- (Ugh ).
6♦ - Pass : (NAT Alternative) -- (OK ).

1♠ - 2♠
3♦ - 3♠ : (NAT G/T F/1) -- (No interest).
4♣ - 4♠ : (CUE S/T) -- (Still no interest).
5N - 6♦ : (ART Pick a slam) -- (Lucky guess).

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[Tramticket]

Our auction (playing 4-card majors) might start 1S-1NT-3D, which might give us a chance. But we are more likely to open 2C and I can't see diamonds being mentioned after it starts 2C-2D-2S.

[Cyberyeti]

Tramticket, on 2020-July-07, 10:11, said:

Our auction (playing 4-card majors) might start 1S-1NT-3D, which might give us a chance. But we are more likely to open 2C and I can't see diamonds being mentioned after it starts 2C-2D-2S.

I think this is pretty close to my assessment, the hand is just too good for 1♠, ♠10x and the diamond J is plenty for game, so even I'd open this 2♣ I think, now you're in an awkward position, 2♣-2♦-2♠ I think I bid 4♠ (weaker than 3 with only quacks), unless you're just going to punt 6♦ over this, I suspect you're playing 4♠.

[pescetom]

Cyberyeti, on 2020-July-07, 11:45, said:

I think this is pretty close to my assessment, the hand is just too good for 1♠, ♠10x and the diamond J is plenty for game, so even I'd open this 2♣ I think, now you're in an awkward position, 2♣-2♦-2♠ I think I bid 4♠ (weaker than 3 with only quacks), unless you're just going to punt 6♦ over this, I suspect you're playing 4♠.

That's how it would go with us too. And if N risks 1♠ and receives a 2♠ response then 3♦ is a help suit trial and 4x is a control-bid, so no chance there.
Hence my question.

[nullve]

pescetom, on 2020-July-07, 09:50, said:

Anyone have methods that would find 6♦ making instead?

nullve-nullve:

P(1)-2♦(2)
2♥(3)-3♣(4)
3♦(5)-3♥(6)
3♠(7)-4♦(8)
4♥(9)-4♠(10)
4N(11)-5♥(12)
6♦(13)-P

(1) "0-10 BAL"
(2) "canapé preempt with S and another suit" OR "unBAL GF w/ 5+ S"
(3) "to play opposite a preempt with 4+ H" OR INV, 3-S5+H
(4) "GF, (3)4+D, not 5S5D"
(5) relay
(6) 5242, 6S4D(21), 6+S0H4+D or 8+S3D
(7) relay
(8) 6S4D(21) (and 21+ hcp)
(9) key card ask agreeing D
(10) even # of key cards
(11) trump Q ask
(12) trump Q, ♠K, 6142
(13) contract

[Lovera]

This hand is not good for a direct answer in ♠ having only 7 points. Then 1♠-1NT, 3♦-4♦ can help.(Lovera)

[pescetom]

Lovera, on 2021-February-01, 21:15, said:

This hand is not good for a direct answer in ♠ having only 7 points. Then 1♠-1NT, 3♦-4♦ can help.(Lovera)

1♠-1NT; 3♦ is possible in some natural systems including traditional 2/1 with a fully forcing 1NT I guess. But even then I wonder how many would be comfortable with 4♦ on this quacky flat hand.

[Lovera]

pescetom, on 2021-February-02, 10:52, said:

1♠-1NT; 3♦ is possible in some natural systems including traditional 2/1 with a fully forcing 1NT I guess. But even then I wonder how many would be comfortable with 4♦ on this quacky flat hand.

The first hand is much strong and the second one views a double fit and honors around. All is to avoid ♠.I have always told that my system is natural and much compatibile with GIB bidding.

[mikeh]

Bridge is a game of limited possibilities. Show me a method that reliably reaches 6D on this hand, and I’ll show you a hand the system won’t handle very well, or you’ll be playing a method that’s so complex that you and partner will almost surely screw up from sheer memory load (unless you’re like meckwell in their prime).

Here, I wouldn’t stand a chance but, on the other hand, I’d get a plus score, lol.

I’d open 2C, and I’m known as a conservative 2C bidder.

We’d have the auction

2C 2H (no ace or king)
2S. 4S
P

Unfortunately, in our methods, a raise to 3S is non-forcing after the immediate negative response. Which, btw, is not a bug but a feature. Last weak we had the auction 2C 2H 2S 3S P, making 9 tricks and winning 6 imps v the no-play 4S bid at the other table, where they did not have the 2H negative tool available. So responder has to bid 4S, depriving opener from being able to bid 4D naturally over a 3S raise. It would be natural and not a cuebid because responder is known not to have a high card cue, and could have splintered over 2S with a shortness cue.

As North, knowing partner has neither the heart Ace nor club King, I’d have no interest in slam once responder did not splinter or (in a fantasy universe) bid 3D over 2S. Yes, we miss slam if he is, say, Qxxx xxxx Jx xxx, but (as I began by saying), bridge is a game of limited possibilities.

[Winstonm]

Lovera, on 2021-February-01, 21:15, said:

This hand is not good for a direct answer in ♠ having only 7 points. Then 1♠-1NT, 3♦-4♦ can help.(Lovera)

This last time I raised a minor suit with Jxxx was in Dallas playing with Mark Lair - who, after the hand was over, proceeded to lead me by the nose away from the table and told me to never raise a jump-shifter's minor with Jxxx. Lesson learned - nose recovered.

[Lovera]

Winstonm, on 2021-February-03, 14:14, said:

This last time I raised a minor suit with Jxxx was in Dallas playing with Mark Lair - who, after the hand was over, proceeded to lead me by the nose away from the table and told me to never raise a jump-shifter's minor with Jxxx. Lesson learned - nose recovered.

I said ...3♦-4♦ can help because ending in ♠ doesn't gain. Anyhow N doesn't know till the support in ♠ whilest in ♦ can be four or five cards. Of course one of two suits in this round is initially hidden (here ♠).

[gszes]

my highly boring sequence

2c 2d waiting
2s 3s natural -- 3+ spades and at least something useful besides a bust
4d 5d natural -- 4+ dia but probably not more than one useful card and no cue bid available
6d p hard to imagine partner not having the spade Q with no cue bid and dia might be the only way to make 6