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#1 User is offline   jerdonald 

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Posted 2018-March-20, 19:26

BBO forum,
I played in a mentor/mentee game today with a man who
fought in and was wounded in the Battle of The Bulge.
It was quite an honor.

A bidding error occurred on one board. I had a 4 looser
hand and I was busy looking at it when I noticed my RHO
put his pass card on the table. I put my 2 Club card
down and then noticed that my partner had opened the
bidding with 1 spade. I pulled my bidding card back
and said "I didn't realize my partner had opened".

Of course this is UI since it was obvious I thought
I was opening a strong 2C. The director should have
been called but it was the third board of three and
we were quite a bit behind on the time so the OPS said
"just make your 2C bid".

The final contract was 5C by me which made 6.
What would have been the ruling?

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Posted 2018-March-20, 19:40

Insufficient data.
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Posted 2018-March-20, 19:41

Other than the director should have been called which you already know.

UI needs damage for there to be an adjustment. So need both hands, auction and vulnerability to answer.
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Posted 2018-March-20, 19:49

I would add that, regarding the IB itself, the opps accepted it, so there's no further rectification for that.
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Posted 2018-March-20, 21:29

View Postblackshoe, on 2018-March-20, 19:49, said:

I would add that, regarding the IB itself, the opps accepted it, so there's no further rectification for that.

Incorrect. The statement that he didn't see opener's bid is UI. IE. opener knows partner has 22+ pts or similar. Accepting a bid does not allow this info to become known.
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Posted 2018-March-21, 01:29

View Postblackshoe, on 2018-March-20, 19:49, said:

I would add that, regarding the IB itself, the opps accepted it, so there's no further rectification for that.

There was no IB. There was an attempted 25B1 change of call, not accepted. So the auction continues with the 2C bid and lots of UI to avoid taking advantage of.
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Posted 2018-March-21, 08:25

View Poststeve2005, on 2018-March-20, 21:29, said:

Incorrect. The statement that he didn't see opener's bid is UI. IE. opener knows partner has 22+ pts or similar. Accepting a bid does not allow this info to become known.


View Postgordontd, on 2018-March-21, 01:29, said:

There was no IB. There was an attempted 25B1 change of call, not accepted. So the auction continues with the 2C bid and lots of UI to avoid taking advantage of.

Okay. I misread the auction. Not surprising, considering it was buried in a wall of text. But "incorrect" is, well, incorrect. I said that the IB was accepted. That was incorrect because there was no IB. I did not say there would be no rectification for anything else.

Is "just make your 2!C bid" a violation of Law 10A?
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Posted 2018-March-21, 08:50

View Postblackshoe, on 2018-March-21, 08:25, said:

Is "just make your 2!C bid" a violation of Law 10A?

It's kind of hard not to violate 10A after you violate all of 9B.

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Posted 2018-March-21, 10:15

Good point.
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Posted 2018-March-21, 11:51

View Postgordontd, on 2018-March-21, 01:29, said:

So the auction continues with the 2C bid and lots of UI to avoid taking advantage of.


It looks probable that his partner bent over backwards not to take advantage of UI, if the final contract was 5C making +1.
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Posted 2018-March-22, 03:17

View Postpescetom, on 2018-March-21, 11:51, said:

It looks probable that his partner bent over backwards not to take advantage of UI, if the final contract was 5C making +1.

Without seeing the auction, you cannot conclude that.
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Posted 2018-March-22, 05:55

View Postlamford, on 2018-March-22, 03:17, said:

Without seeing the auction, you cannot conclude that.


That's why I said "looks probable" rather than making a conclusion.
The things that make it look probable to me are 1M opening, 4-loser hand, 12 tricks made, poorly scoring contract.
Of course 5 clubs might still be the most reasonable contract.
Hopefully we will see the auction and hands.
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