4H (X) pass ?
#1
Posted 2017-May-22, 04:36
♠Kx
♥xx
♦KQxx
♣Q10xxx
As it happens, 4♠ would have found our fit and made. I chose 5♣ and when it was passed round to RHO who doubled, I called an 'SOS' XX - something I'm very loath to do at any time. But LHO rescued the situation by bidding 5♥ which made (needless to say W had a lot of hearts!). Not the best result, but still better than leaving them in 4♥X with an overtrick.
#2
Posted 2017-May-22, 04:40
ps your hand is far from a collection of rubbish - imagine partner has a normal double such as Axxx x AJxx AKxx then you have a good chance of slam!
#3
Posted 2017-May-22, 05:47
pass.
I can live with any of your choices, except 4S, with other = 4NT searching for your best minor fit.
You are (semi) balanced, you have some values out side hearts, you should have a reasonable chance
of setting it, assuming partner has a common hand.
A 6th spade is not a common hand pattern for partner.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#4
Posted 2017-May-22, 06:27
#6
Posted 2017-May-22, 07:27
4N = 10
Pass = 9
5C = 8
5D = 5
4S = 2
Sorry to be a bit harsh about 5C!
#7
Posted 2017-May-22, 09:01
I think 4 NT is right getting partner to choose between the minors. You have longer ♣ but they're not so good. So partner's input is important.
At the 4 level, it more about getting to a decent contract rather than being perfect. If 4 ♠ is making, partner has to have 5+ pretty good ♠, so why isn't partner bidding 4 ♠?
#8
Posted 2017-May-22, 09:52
rmnka447, on 2017-May-22, 09:01, said:
If someone thinks you should bid 4♠ on this hand they are resulters and don't listen to anything they say about bidding.
#9
Posted 2017-May-22, 13:58
Facing an average TOX, you have good chances of making 5m, and it scores probably more setting 4HX (opener is red so should not have a rubbish that goes -3).
4NT should convey this message. 5C is okay but not as good imo. The rest about 4S and XX being sos is just a bit of a nonsense as every1 pointed out.
#10
Posted 2017-May-22, 15:03
rmnka447, on 2017-May-22, 09:01, said:
I think 4 NT is right getting partner to choose between the minors. You have longer ♣ but they're not so good. So partner's input is important.
At the 4 level, it more about getting to a decent contract rather than being perfect. If 4 ♠ is making, partner has to have 5+ pretty good ♠, so why isn't partner bidding 4 ♠?
Agreed.
Again, your partner pays the cost to be the boss. If your partner is saying 4♠ was the bid, then how are you going to suggest that bid with a doubleton in your hand? It is really important that you remind your partner that you are not clairvoyant. He has to take some initiative when overcalling preemptive bids.
Your partner should be bidding 4♠ if his spade holding is that couture. No where in the auction did he mention that spade suit, so I would keep the post mortem focused on the bid he didn't make.
#11
Posted 2017-May-22, 18:15
Trust demands integrity, balance and collaboration.
District 11
Unit 124
Steve Moese
#12
Posted 2017-May-22, 20:16
#13
Posted 2017-May-22, 22:10
wank, on 2017-May-22, 20:16, said:
Be fair - I think the original X holding what sounds like a 4S bid (or even a pass given the comment about 4HX+1?), and then trying to tell OP he should bid 4S on a doubleton opposite the X, is surely worse!
ahydra
#14
Posted 2017-May-22, 22:15
ahydra, on 2017-May-22, 22:10, said:
ahydra
nowhere does it say that his partner said that. all it says is that 4s would have worked out better. as for partner's double, with the right shape i think 5 spades is ok. if 5h makes though it sounds like partner is a little lacking in high cards.
#15
Posted 2017-May-22, 23:59
Agree one would X rather than 4S with eg 51(43) scattered values, 5044.
ahydra
#16
Posted 2017-May-23, 04:08
#17
Posted 2017-May-23, 08:50
If i kibbed anyone on BBO bidding 4S on this hand, and making, I would suspect they were the owners of two computers.
#18
Posted 2017-May-23, 09:46
#19
Posted 2017-May-23, 10:37
I'm surprised so many are advocating (or even seriously considering) passing. The secondary values in the minors are great for offense, but not so good for defense. With the opponents likely having a 10-fit (sure, partner could have 2-3 hearts, but he rates to have a stiff), opener could easily be 1741 and responder 5314, in which case the opponents will probably make 5H.
Cheers,
Mike
#20
Posted 2017-May-24, 00:24
661_Pete, on 2017-May-22, 04:36, said:
As it happens, 4♠ would have found our fit and made. I chose 5♣ and when it was passed round to RHO who doubled, I called an 'SOS' XX - something I'm very loath to do at any time. But LHO rescued the situation by bidding 5♥ which made (needless to say W had a lot of hearts!). Not the best result, but still better than leaving them in 4♥X with an overtrick.
miamijd, on 2017-May-23, 10:37, said: