Penalty or Takeout Best meaning of Double
#1
Posted 2005-April-14, 20:39
1♦ - (P) - 1♥ - (P)
2♣ - (2♠) - X - (P)
Is the double penalties or some for of takeout or cooperative double or have some other meaning?
I have my opinions, but will wait for others to chime in first.
Thanks,
Matt
#2
Posted 2005-April-15, 01:19
You could weaken this a bit, declaring the double
as optional, but the double by responder strongly
suggest to play 2Sx.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#3
Posted 2005-April-15, 02:22
#4
Posted 2005-April-15, 03:40
#5
Posted 2005-April-15, 03:41
In general, I play that after opener has rebid subsequent doubles are penalties. The idea is that opener has defined his hand (in this case a minimum with diamonds and clubs) so there is no need for responder to ask for more information.
#6
Posted 2005-April-15, 03:46
On a scale from 1-10:
Penalties: 10 points
Anything else: minus 100 points.
Roland
#7
Posted 2005-April-15, 03:58
#8
Posted 2005-April-15, 04:07
#9
Posted 2005-April-15, 04:14
#10
Posted 2005-April-15, 05:07
#11
Posted 2005-April-15, 08:29
Add the number of bids made by your partner and the level of the opps bid. If you get 4 or more, your X is for pentaly, if less, then negative/takeout.
Exceptions are X over natural NT (always penalty) and after p has made natural NT bid (also always penalty).
Some examples:
1H - (2D) - X neg
3S - (X) takeout
1H - P - 2C -P
2D -(2S)-X penalty
4S - X penalty
Does it make sense? Or is there too many cases when it will work in a wrong (undesired) way?
#12
Posted 2005-April-15, 08:58
They've stepped into our potential misfit auction and I'm unlimited.
#15
Posted 2005-April-15, 13:34
With my current pd we have two "sets" of doubles, one we use in weak or club fields and one we use in strong fields.
In set-A (normal) we play this dbl as penalty for the reasons that most posters describe, if they are nuts so it be and we collect our money.
In set-B (strong) we play no penalty doubles at all based on the assumption that our opponents don't bid a new suit at the 2 level to go for 800 and having freed all doubles let us compete better.
I think this can't happen in a strong field because the 2s bid doesn't make any sense but if it does then I assume the player who bid 2s WANTs to be doubled in 2s so we won't play dbl as penalty. A dbl would then be "general values".
#16
Posted 2005-April-15, 14:34
#17
Posted 2005-April-15, 19:56
Walddk, on Apr 15 2005, 09:46 AM, said:
what about 2 or 3 of them?
I base some of these decisions on my holding, but that would be silly this time, the 2♠ bidder is having either 4 or 8 cards probably . I really ahve my doubts here.