[nekthen]

I would like to think my partner would bid 1M with a 4M 5c hand
As he is a passed hand his shape is 3325, 3316 or 3235 if he bids 1D 2C.
So I am probably going to pass 2C

[rhm]

Zelandakh, on 2016-April-25, 09:27, said:

Would you really prefer a 2NT response with 10⁺-11 and 3334/(332)5? That strikes me as being at least as dangerous. There is merit in the approach you advocate - it is essentially how my system works - but I am not so sure it is so successful in this natural context as when the responses are designed around it.

I strongly prefer a 1NT response, particularly playing pairs, but I rather bid 2NT than 2♣.
Admittedly this is more of an issue, playing weak notrumps.
But if you open light opposite a passed partner, it is better if opener does the inviting.

Rainer Herrmann

[rhm]

Cyberyeti, on 2016-April-25, 09:40, said:

We play it forcing as do most people I know, we don't distort our system that much.

msjennifer, on 2016-April-25, 12:47, said:

We also play it as one round forcing whether a passed hand or not.we also don't like to twist and turn the system.In my opinion any system that proves right in 90 percent of unopposed bidding is an excellent bidding system..Any system in the world
can not bid all hands perfectly.Garozzos Super Precision system comes very near to the objective.

You can play what you like.
However, I really can not see any benefit why a natural bid of a limited hand should be considered forcing.
It makes no sense and the vast majority of players agrees with this principle that it should not be forcing.
You are on your own if you claim this to be a "distortion"

Rainer Herrmann

[Zelandakh]

rhm, on 2016-April-26, 01:22, said:

I strongly prefer a 1NT response, particularly playing pairs, but I rather bid 2NT than 2♣.
Admittedly this is more of an issue, playing weak notrumps.
But if you open light opposite a passed partner, it is better if opener does the inviting.

Unless you can invite and stay low, as with Drury. I would tend to agree that the modified 2/1 structure is better but it is also not unproblematic. What I much prefer is to use the first step (1♥ over a 1♦ opening) to show the invitational hand and the other calls to be natural and weak, with 1NT covering the suit used for the relay (hearts). I think that gives (most of) the best of both worlds, particularly when combined with an unbalanced diamond opening, and also works (even better) for 3rd and 4th seat 1M openings. Not that even something like this solves everything, of course. I have not yet seen any method that can do everything.

[Cyberyeti]

rhm, on 2016-April-26, 01:35, said:

You can play what you like.
However, I really can not see any benefit why a natural bid of a limited hand should be considered forcing.
It makes no sense and the vast majority of players agrees with this principle that it should be not forcing.
You are on your own if you claim this to be a "distortion"

Rainer Herrmann

If you play your opening bids very sound (we don't) a minimum opening bid can't pass a 2♣ response as game can easily be on for example.
We don't make the sort of semi-psychic 3rd hand opening that might pass, we open those at the 2 level.

I see no evidence for your assertion that the vast majority of players agree it's NF, round here I know nobody for whom it is.

[gordontd]

Cyberyeti, on 2016-April-26, 03:44, said:

I see no evidence for your assertion that the vast majority of players agree it's NF, round here I know nobody for whom it is.

That does no more than confirm what we already know - that players in different places play the game differently.

[helene_t]

I will make the normal 1♦ opening. This requires some detailed discussion and/or some good luck if partner responds 2♣. But sometimes the auction proceeds otherwise.

[Cyberyeti]

gordontd, on 2016-April-26, 05:18, said:

That does no more than confirm what we already know - that players in different places play the game differently.

Indeed, that was the in a way point I was making, saying "the vast majority" is ridiculous.

[helene_t]

Maybe the World outside Norfolk, Australia and Leeds counts as "the vast majority of places"?

Sorry, didn't mean to be sarcastic, just didn't have anything more intelligent to say

[Zelandakh]

helene_t, on 2016-April-26, 05:49, said:

Sorry, didn't mean to be sarcastic, just didn't have anything more intelligent to say

If I restricted myself to times when I had something intelligent to say, I would probably not post more than twice a year!

[nige1]

There are some exceptions. For example, Drury, Bergen, transfers, fit-jumps, splinters. But in a simple natural system, I agree with Rainer that it's sensible, logical -- and the majority view -- that most responses by a passed-hand are non-forcing.

[manudude03]

Just for the record, I opened 1D and rebid 2D playing there making 9 tricks. Hand record here (yes I lied about North bidding 2C over 1H, but switch his majors)