[PhilG007]

Cyberyeti, on 2015-October-24, 08:34, said:

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P ? X ? 1♠ ? 1N ?

Anyone who overcalls 1♠ with a rag tag suit like that is
DEFINITELY a fruit bat(!) The same goes for overcalling 1NT with
only a single stopper. Pass and await developments is the only
sensible course of action here.

[neilkaz]

sfi, on 2015-October-25, 16:36, said:

I used to pass with these, but have now been converted to the view that double is a clear winning strategy in the 21st century. You lose way too many part score battles by passing.

Same here.

[billw55]

For the doublers, what do you plan to do if partner bids 2♦?

[Zelandakh]

This seems to be a straight battle between philosophies. Playing the traditional way you pass; playing double in a flexible style makes that available as a good option. Both styles have their advantages and disadvantages. I am obviously an old fart because I would pass it but perhaps that is as much reflective of the players in my peer group as anything else. Using phrases such as "auto" and "only sensible course" miss the point as far as I am concerned. I would not say either was definitively wrong - like so many aspects of competitive bidding you just make a choice and live with both the good and the bad that come from that decision.

[neilkaz]

billw55, on 2015-October-26, 10:15, said:

For the doublers, what do you plan to do if partner bids 2♦?

Pass and hope to make it if the opps leave us there.

[zillahandp]

Pass there is no god bid in acol, p can protect, non question

[PhilG007]

zillahandp, on 2015-October-26, 13:21, said:

Pass there is no god bid in acol, p can protect, non question

Another very good reason for passing is that in 2nd seat you are sitting "under the gun" LHO has not yet
bid so there is unknown strength there. If you overcall and the remainder of the points are bunched on your left,
the next thing will be a penalty double from there and you can get ready with the sackcloth and ashes and get prepared
to record a hefty minus score for your side. Anyone with a good sense of danger will unhesitatingly pass and hope that
if the bidding is passed round to partner,he will balance(as he should)

[Cyberyeti]

PhilG007, on 2015-October-26, 14:25, said:

Another very good reason for passing is that in 2nd seat you are sitting "under the gun" LHO has not yet
bid so there is unknown strength there. If you overcall and the remainder of the points are bunched on your left,
the next thing will be a penalty double from there and you can get ready with the sackcloth and ashes and get prepared
to record a hefty minus score for your side. Anyone with a good sense of danger will unhesitatingly pass and hope that
if the bidding is passed round to partner,he will balance(as he should)

The problem is that if partner has a shapely not much, there's a danger as in this case he'll be kept out of the auction.

[wank]

zillahandp, on 2015-October-26, 13:21, said:

Pass there is no god bid in acol, p can protect, non question

it always makes me laugh when people use acol as an excuse for bad competitive bidding. the opps opened. you're not playing acol or any other system.

[wank]

billw55, on 2015-October-26, 10:15, said:

For the doublers, what do you plan to do if partner bids 2♦?

put dummy down. partner has 5+ diamonds there over 3/4 of the time i'd guess. it's still a pretty clear double with 4342 which is a worse shape because you play the wrong part score when p is a weak 44 in the minors.

anyway, if you didn't put dummy down, you'd have to do something else, which is obviously stupid.

[sfi]

neilkaz, on 2015-October-26, 10:28, said:

Pass and hope to make it if the opps leave us there.

Same here.

[PhilG007]

Cyberyeti, on 2015-October-26, 15:11, said:

The problem is that if partner has a shapely not much, there's a danger as in this case he'll be kept out of the auction.

No fear of that...if partner does have something to say,he'll say it.....rest assured(!)

[manudude03]

I'm a doubler, even though my partner always seems to find my doubleton and find himself playing a 4-2 fit.

PhilG007, on 2015-October-26, 23:18, said:

No fear of that...if partner does have something to say,he'll say it.....rest assured(!)

Cyberyeti, on 2015-October-25, 17:27, said:

the partner of the hand I gave had Qxxxxx, x, xxx, xxx

Is partner supposed to find a 2S/3S bid after 1H-P-2H/3H?

[Cyberyeti]

manudude03, on 2015-October-27, 02:58, said:

Is partner supposed to find a 2S/3S bid after 1H-P-2H/3H?

Exactly, are you bidding 3♠ over 1♥-P-2N/3♥ with Qxxxxx and out or even with AQxxxx and out ?

[Jinksy]

PhilG007, on 2015-October-26, 23:18, said:

No fear of that...if partner does have something to say,he'll say it.....rest assured(!)

Does it not give you pause for thought either that you're demonstrably wrong on the actual hands, or that a couple of the UK's strongest players (to say nothing of other very strong players in the thread) disagree with your 'only sensible course of action'?

[eagles123]

Jinksy, on 2015-October-27, 06:28, said:

Does it not give you pause for thought either that you're demonstrably wrong on the actual hands, or that a couple of the UK's strongest players (to say nothing of other very strong players in the thread) disagree with your 'only sensible course of action'?

dont feed the troll

[Jinksy]

But why has the troll been unmuzzled if he's not supposed to have emerged from his chrysalis as a beautiful... losing my metaphors here.

[nige1]

Cyberyeti asks.

I rank
1. Double. T/O. Homo sum: humani nil a me alienum puto
2. Pass. NAT. Auto (Mouse or Troll?).
3. 1N . NAT. Auto (Lemming).
4. 1♠. NAT. Auto (Fruitbat).

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[phil_20686]

Its just an easy double. You have compensating values to make up for the poor shape if partner bids diamonds. Take away the diamond queen and I can see value in passing, its now an aceless 12 count with with poor shape. I would much rather double now than later.

[EricK]

I would pass, but it wouldn't take much more to make me double, and I wouldn't mind if partner chose to double with a hand like this.

I agree with Phil_20686 that if you take away the ♦Q then it is much clearer to pass - but I fear that RHO's ♦A will take away my ♦Q!