[Winstonm]

Trump alone would not be such a problem but he is only a piece of a global war on liberal democracies using modernized disinformation techniques.

[blackshoe]

A million Americans have died from Covid. 110 million Americans had it and recovered.

[pilowsky]

 blackshoe, on 2024-May-11, 00:03, said:

A million Americans have died from Covid. 110 million Americans had it and recovered.

It's unclear what point you're trying to make, but the excess mortality from COVID19 in the USA is worse than any other comparable country.
This link shows the cumulative excess mortality in the USA compared with similar developed countries with reliable reporting.
There are many reasons for this, but a higher prevalence of metabolic syndrome (obesity, hypertension, bad lipids and type 2 diabetes) along with resistance to vaccination and the need to work when sick are three contributing factors.

Also, using 110M Americans as the denominator in your thinking is flawed.
Every American was exposed to the virus with many having a sub-clinical (had it but didn't know it) infection, or had it but didn't report it.

Your numbers would suggest a case fatality rate of just under 1%. it's probably much lower but the real question is, How many fewer than a million would have died if the USA was not being "governed" by a real estate agent and his children who tossed aside the pandemic preparedness plan produced by the Obama administration?

[pescetom]

 pilowsky, on 2024-May-11, 01:17, said:

It's unclear what point you're trying to make, but the excess mortality from COVID19 in the USA is worse than any other comparable country.
This link shows the cumulative excess mortality in the USA compared with similar developed countries with reliable reporting.

Thanks, that is a very interesting link.
If you include the principal European countries is it evident that Italy, Spain and particularly UK had a further surge of excess mortality during 2023 unparalleled in other countries.
No real idea what that is about (both Italy and Spain have a lot of old people and climate change problems) but it is certainly reflected by direct experience (my bridge club in northern Italy had 3 deaths 2016-2019, 7 in 2020-2023 of which 3 in the last year).

[kenberg]

I agree that the link is interesting. It is always wise to take care with statistics but thay can also be useful Here is something that interests me. Of course during covid it would be especially in the older age groups that the number of deaths would rise a lot from what had been predicted before covid. Within this older group, they coul look at whether the increase was particularly strong in eldercare facilities. Throughout my adult life I have read many hews reports on the failings of healthcare facilities for the aged. It's a tough job, of course, I get that, but often the care falls really short. There were disturbing news items during covid about local healthcare facilites and my thoughts were that many of the problems were chronic and wides[pread.

As I say, we have to be careful in drawing conclusions from statistics, we really do, but I would like to see what qualified people who are interested nn truth might be able to find.

My wife Becky and I are happily living independenly at home, I have friends happily living in various arrangements for the aged, so it's not all bad, of course not. ButI am pretty sure that there is a lot of room for improvement.

[PassedOut]

As today is Memorial Day in the US, it's fitting to remember the many soldiers who died in WWII to protect us all from people like Donald Trump. One of those was my uncle Sigurd Lindseth, an Ensign in the Navy. Aside from my mother, he was the only one of her siblings to survive to adulthood.

In his last letter to his folks--our grandparents--he wrote "I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas." My mother was a professional musician and my dad a pretty good amateur, so music was a big part of our lives when my siblings and I were growing up. Every Christmas our grandparents would join us for dinner and music, and after a while our grandfather would request "I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas." Mom would play our piano, dad would play our organ, and we'd all sing while tears streamed down our grandfather's face.

My dad survived heavy fighting in the Battle of the Bulge and Constance's dad survived many missions as a pilot in WWII. But many of their friends and buddies didn't make it home.

Lots to think about today.

[mycroft]

The mean "felonies per U.S. President" ratio has gone up to 0.74 (0.76 if you consider Cleveland as one president). Commiserations to all U.S. presidents and ex-presidents who are now below average.

[pilowsky]

TRUMP GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS

• Donald Trump was convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying records to cover up a sex scandal that threatened his ascent to the White House in 2016.
• He is the first American president to be declared a felon, a stain he will carry as he seeks to regain the presidency.

Shannon and colleagues reported on the growth of the number of US citizens with a felony conviction.

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We estimate that 3 % of the total U.S. adult population and 15 % of the African American adult male population has ever been to prison; people with felony convictions account for 8 % of all adults and 33 % of the African American adult male population.

[kenberg]

I keep looking for something where people of various views might still be willing to agree. Here are a couple of thoughts about the Trump trial.

1. People with lots of money have access to very expensive lawyers. The result is that they can get away with stuff that you and I would go to jail for. Trump has been convicted by a jury of 12. These 12 people are not relatives of Joe Biden, not paid by Joe Biden, or anything like that. I was once on a jury for a criminal trial. The 12 of us took our responsibilities very seriously. We made sure we understood what the relevant law was, what the defendant was accused of, and we carefully discussed the evidence. In our case, we found the defendant innocent.In Trump's case, he was found guilty. It seems to me that if Trump's talented and high priced legal team could not convince even one of the jurors that Trump should be found innocent, then we should all be willing toagree that Trump did indeed agree that he broke the law that he was accused of breaking. If Trump advocates wish to claim that breaking the law was no big deal, they can argue that. But claiming that the trial was sme sort of hoax? No. I can imagine that some guy with limited funds for legal help might end up wrongly convicted but for a guy with Trump's wealth and legal help, if the jury says that yes he broke the law that he was charged with breaking, then yep, the odds are very very high that he did. Note that all the defense had to do was to convince one juror that the evidence was not good enough to find him guilty, they did not have to convince anyone that he could not possibly had done it. In the case I was on, we thoought the guy was not a good guy, we just thought that the prsecution failed to convince us he had done what he was charged with. He might of done so, but you do not convict on might have. With Trump, twelve jurors were convinced he did as charged.

2. About this weaponizing of the legal system. As I recall, in 1916 Trump rallies often involved chants of "Lock her up". Forget, for a this second point of mine, the validity of the charges then and now. What I think we should all be able to agree on is that a guy who leads his followers in chanting "Lock her up" has forfeited the right to lodge a political complaint about the law coming after him.

So that's my two cents worth on what we should all agree on. If a high priced legal team can't convince at least one of the twelve jurors that their client has been wrongly charged then the tiral was not rigged, and if a guy leads his followers in chanting "Lock her up" then we should not take his complaints about politically motivated charges seriously.

It seems we cannot agree on what day of the week it is, so my thoughts are probably hopeless. But, to me, these two items are clearcut.

[pilowsky]

kenberg, on 2024-June-01, 11:50, said:

Trump's talented and high priced legal team

Well, you're half right.

[kenberg]

pilowsky, on 2024-June-01, 16:29, said:

Well, you're half right.

Well, yeah. They didn't end up looking so good. But that's the Trump story. Anyone who gets involved with him in any way ends up looking bad.
My post referred to a couple of things that I think are so bvious everyone should be able to agree. And maybe they do. I have always thought that this is a third: No one with any sense or desire to keep their respectability should ever work for Trump, do business with Trump, sit at a table with Trump. He is a walking disease. Spend time with him, you regret it.

[thepossum]

When the key prosecution witness is a convicted lawyer it could have gone either way
With all due respect your Honour

I am sure people will choose how important they think the whole matter really is - not for me to express an opinion at all

All this to cover up a "scandal" that could have stopped Trump being elected

[pilowsky]

thepossum, on 2024-June-01, 20:33, said:

When the key prosecution witness is a convicted lawyer it could have gone either way
With all due respect your Honour

Well yes, but the crime he was convicted of was "... and, in 2016, caused $280,000 in payments to be made to silence two women who otherwise planned to speak publicly about their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate, thereby intending to influence the 2016 presidential election."

So if Cohen was convicted of it the real question is why did it take 6 years for the actual beneficiary of the crime to be charged?