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#1 User is offline   jimbrown2 

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Posted 2014-December-16, 08:37

Hands are



West Dealer
Spades AKQJT973
Hearts K6
Diamonds 8
Clubs 93

East
Spades -
Hearts AJ732
Diamonds AKT62
Clubs AQ4

Bidding - opps pass throughout

1S:2H
4S:4NT[BIT]
5S*:6S [after agreed pause]
7S - TD called

*=RKCB 0/2+Trump Q
W explained that raise to 7 was based on quality of S suit [unknown to partner] and holding HK.

Ruling was 6S to West making 13.
Q was this the correct decision

This post has been edited by barmar: 2014-December-16, 11:25
Reason for edit: Add hand diagram

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Posted 2014-December-16, 09:26

Adjusting to 6+1 seems clearly correct. 6 says: we are missing a keycard. The pause says: well maybe not. Without the pause, pass is obviously a logical alternative for west.
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Posted 2014-December-16, 10:13

View Postbillw55, on 2014-December-16, 09:26, said:

6 says: we are missing a keycard

Why? If partner had x Axxxxx Axx Axx, then partner would settle for Six Spades, surely. Your 4S bid instead of 3S was already a horrible choice, mind you, so I am not sure we are going to be able to find peers of this particular person. The auction is not the same as a hesitation Blackwood situation where a slow sign-off at the 5-level says you are not missing two key-cards. All you know is that partner thinks he can make Six Spades opposite two key cards and the queen of spades. That does not, to me, demonstrably suggest bidding Seven Spades.
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Posted 2014-December-16, 10:28

View Postlamford, on 2014-December-16, 10:13, said:

Why? If partner had x Axxxxx Axx Axx, then partner would settle for Six Spades, surely. Your 4S bid instead of 3S was already a horrible choice, mind you, so I am not sure we are going to be able to find peers of this particular person. The auction is not the same as a hesitation Blackwood situation where a slow sign-off at the 5-level says you are not missing two key-cards. All you know is that partner thinks he can make Six Spades opposite two key cards and the queen of spades. That does not, to me, demonstrably suggest bidding Seven Spades.

I agree with one thing, here. Having failed to show the solid suit via 3S earlier, Opener might consider bidding 7S now. But, IMO, the TD should not buy into it. West still does not know all the key cards are actually held (The failure to ask for kings suggests they are not.), and the B.I.T. could demonstrably suggest that they are.
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Posted 2014-December-16, 10:53

Did East really make an insufficient 1 bid (that's why I didn't include the auction in the diagram).

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Posted 2014-December-16, 11:12

Apologies 2Hearts
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Posted 2014-December-16, 11:15

View Postbarmar, on 2014-December-16, 10:53, said:

Did East really make an insufficient 1 bid (that's why I didn't include the auction in the diagram).

+1

There is not much point in discussing the merits of opener's spade rebid if we do not know to what level responder had bid hearts.
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Posted 2014-December-16, 12:25

To Jim Brown. It's not enough to prove that the bid of 7 is a reasonable bid (although I would contend it is not). Partner was scarcely likely to be considering passing Five Spades, so the pause tends to suggest bidding on. Therefore, one needs to be pretty sure pass is not a logical alternative to allow the raise.

Since partner's bidding is consistent:

xx
AQxxx
AKQJx
x

Pass is not only logical, but indicated, so it seems clear to disallow the raise to seven.
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Posted 2014-December-16, 12:37

Decision is well supported, thanks to all. Topic closed.
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