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Partner opens 1S in second seat. Is this hand good enough for a 2/1, or
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bid forcing 1nt or make a 2/1 bid?
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Posted 2014-September-04, 07:51
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Posted 2014-September-04, 08:32
2C GF. Will lead to much better auctions and you with be forcing game opposite a 2s, 2h, or 2c rebid anyway if you start with 1n
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Posted 2014-September-04, 08:50
broze, on 2014-September-04, 08:32, said:
2C GF. Will lead to much better auctions and you with be forcing game opposite a 2s, 2h, or 2c rebid anyway if you start with 1n
Would partner open 1♠ with
♠ AK432
♥ 432
♦ K5432
♣ void
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Posted 2014-September-04, 08:59
Yep. And if he has that we'll be unlucky. OP didn't specify form of scoring but I'm assuming IMPs. I would take the low road at MPs.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 09:00
You can't always bid worrying that partner is going to have the worst hand possible.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 09:05
The question depends on whether 2/1 is a game force. If it is a game force, responder doesn't have one, no matter how many posts someone makes insisting he does.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 09:24
aguahombre, on 2014-September-04, 09:05, said:
The question depends on whether 2/1 is a game force. If it is a game force, responder doesn't have one, no matter how many posts someone makes insisting he does.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 09:54
and, yes, the 2/1 bid would be absolutely game forcing.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 09:55
aguahombre, on 2014-September-04, 09:05, said:
The question depends on whether 2/1 is a game force. If it is a game force, responder doesn't have one, no matter how many posts someone makes insisting he does.
If it's not GF, there wouldn't be a point to the question.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 10:06
2♣ is only a modest overbid and i'll make it because it leaves me in a better position for the rest of the auction. for example, i don't want to get to the NTs first with this hand. it's not unlikely we can make 3nt by p's hand.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 11:14
aguahombre, on 2014-September-04, 09:05, said:
The question depends on whether 2/1 is a game force. If it is a game force, responder doesn't have one, no matter how many posts someone makes insisting he does.
Nothing like healthy debate! Obviously responder is short of a game force otherwise there would be no problem. Does that mean he can't overbid in order to solve other problems that may arise in the auction? Of course not.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 11:50
The thing is: Responder doesn't need to overbid at this precise moment. The forcing NT can consist of many unbalanced hands, and even some game forcing balanced ones if we choose.
After a FNT start, with this hand, we have flexibility to ugrade or downgrade as the auction proceeds.
2S..would probably make a simple invite to 3S, but might try 4 myself.
2H..on to game in hearts.
2D..downgrade at 2S? Opener will make a third bid most of the time when we belong in game.
2C..would get froggie and suggest slam.
2N(18-19)..3C now would be natural, unbalanced by inference, and slammish. With more balance would just bid 3N..with less strength would have bid 3C the first time.
There is a slight worry that, if we end in NT it will be wrong sided; but the continuation plans are comfortable enough to offset that drawback.
After a FNT start, with this hand, we have flexibility to ugrade or downgrade as the auction proceeds.
2S..would probably make a simple invite to 3S, but might try 4 myself.
2H..on to game in hearts.
2D..downgrade at 2S? Opener will make a third bid most of the time when we belong in game.
2C..would get froggie and suggest slam.
2N(18-19)..3C now would be natural, unbalanced by inference, and slammish. With more balance would just bid 3N..with less strength would have bid 3C the first time.
There is a slight worry that, if we end in NT it will be wrong sided; but the continuation plans are comfortable enough to offset that drawback.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 12:40
aguahombre, on 2014-September-04, 11:50, said:
2C..would get froggie and suggest slam.
A little much to suggest slam. It would be nice if spades were the unbid major here and we could bid the "impossible" 2♠, but we can't. 3♣, while an underbid, is probably enough. Let's not get carried away, and let's not eliminate the possibility of playing in 3NT.
3♣ is about right in terms of values, it just understates our club support (and that is an understatement).
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Posted 2014-September-04, 14:53
This is a very nice hand but I will still start with 1nt given how light people open today.
fwiw I play a rather wide ranging 1ntf.
IF pard rebids 2s I will make a splinter bid of 4d which if anything is an underbid
fwiw I play a rather wide ranging 1ntf.
IF pard rebids 2s I will make a splinter bid of 4d which if anything is an underbid
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Posted 2014-September-04, 15:46
If p bids 2♦ over your GF 2♣ you won't be able to put on the brakes and don't have a GF hand. But if you use forcing 1N you can always go to game, signoff in 2♠ or invite if that is your preference.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 15:48
Now how about this one:
"In deciding whether to respond with a game forcing 2/1 bid, add 1 point for a 5 card suit and 2 points for a 6 card suit?"
"In deciding whether to respond with a game forcing 2/1 bid, add 1 point for a 5 card suit and 2 points for a 6 card suit?"
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Posted 2014-September-04, 15:59
1NT for me. I don't understand the problem.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 16:11
kenrexford, on 2014-September-04, 15:59, said:
1NT for me. I don't understand the problem.
Not true. YOU do understand the problem.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 16:19
movingon, on 2014-September-04, 15:48, said:
Now how about this one:
"In deciding whether to respond with a game forcing 2/1 bid, add 1 point for a 5 card suit and 2 points for a 6 card suit?"
"In deciding whether to respond with a game forcing 2/1 bid, add 1 point for a 5 card suit and 2 points for a 6 card suit?"
Marty Bergen would, I think, evaluate this as a bad 12 points. 11 HCP, two points for the club length, subtract a point for Q doubleton in spades. Bad 12s should not force to game.
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Posted 2014-September-05, 02:51
broze, on 2014-September-04, 08:32, said:
2C GF. Will lead to much better auctions and you with be forcing game opposite a 2s, 2h, or 2c rebid anyway if you start with 1n
1♠ 1NT
2♠ 4♠
1♠ 1NT
2♣ 4♦
1♠ 1NT
2♦ 2NT
1♠ 1NT
2♥ 4♦
Seem like pretty good auctions to me. I'd bid 1NT.