[eagles123]

thanks folks,

I won't say whether the finesse worked or not because It's irrelevant, just wanted to see how other more expert pairs bid this and whether people bid the slam or not.

Our bidding was:

1H - 2N
3D - 4D
4S - 4N
5D - 6H

thanks,

Eagles

[whereagles]

Easiest way, I guess:

1♥ 1♠
2♦ 3♣
4NT 6♥ (or 6NT)

3♣: 4th suit forcing, intending to follow up with a heart bid (forcing).
4NT: in absence of explicitly declared fit, this becomes natural, quantitative (~15-17).
6x: probably not enough there for a grand.

[jazzzbo]

1H - 2NT(Jacoby)
3S (singleton) - 4C (Italian Q-bid)
4S (Ace or K) - 4NT (1430)
5D (3)

[jazzzbo]

1♥
2NT (Jacoby)
3♠ (shows a singleton)
3♣ Italian Q-Bid - shows A or K or singleton
4♠ Shows Ace (denies a control in diamonds; shows extras
4NT (1430)
5♦ Shows 3 Key Cards
6♥

[PhilG007]

Established partnerships would have the gadgets to ascertain if a slam was possible. However in a casual partnership,I think the bidding should go;-
1♥ 1♠
3♦ 4♥
South's spade bid is perfectly sound.There is no harm in showing the other major. North's
3♦ rebid is game forcing and shows 17+ HCP and an unbalanced hand. South's 4 ♥is a sign off.

North may now use Blackwood or RKCB to check for aces/keycards.
With the hands given it's difficult to stay out of a ♥slam which will hinge on the ♦ finesse being successful,a 50-50 chance. 4♥ would be the par contract. It would be regrettable if the slam were making but 4 Hearts would give 65% Sometimes you may miss the boat but at least you avoid falling in the river(!)

[Cyberyeti]

PhilG007, on 2014-April-27, 07:41, said:

Established partnerships would have the gadgets to ascertain if a slam was possible. However in a casual partnership,I think the bidding should go;-
1♥ 1♠
3♦ 4♥
South's spade bid is perfectly sound.There is no harm in showing the other major. North's
3♦ rebid is game forcing and shows 17+ HCP and an unbalanced hand. South's 4 ♥is a sign off.

North may now use Blackwood or RKCB to check for aces/keycards.
With the hands given it's difficult to stay out of a ♥slam which will hinge on the ♦ finesse being successful,a 50-50 chance. 4♥ would be the par contract. It would be regrettable if the slam were making but 4 Hearts would give 65% Sometimes you may miss the boat but at least you avoid falling in the river(!)

Nobody rebids 3♦ on this 16 count with a stiff ace in partner's suit and bad diamonds, this is a 2♦ rebid if you respond 1♠.

[neilkaz]

zarpoints, on 2014-April-26, 02:39, said:

1♥ 4NT
5♥ 6♥

why beat about the bush?

LOL bcuz opener might have a min and responder may wish to play with opener again.

[neilkaz]

zarpoints, on 2014-April-26, 02:39, said:

1♥ 4NT
5♥ 6♥

why beat about the bush?

LOL bcuz opener might have a min and responder may wish to play with opener again.

[eagles123]

PhilG007, on 2014-April-27, 07:41, said:

Established partnerships would have the gadgets to ascertain if a slam was possible. However in a casual partnership,I think the bidding should go;-
1♥ 1♠
3♦ 4♥
South's spade bid is perfectly sound.There is no harm in showing the other major. North's
3♦ rebid is game forcing and shows 17+ HCP and an unbalanced hand. South's 4 ♥is a sign off.

North may now use Blackwood or RKCB to check for aces/keycards.
With the hands given it's difficult to stay out of a ♥slam which will hinge on the ♦ finesse being successful,a 50-50 chance. 4♥ would be the par contract. It would be regrettable if the slam were making but 4 Hearts would give 65% Sometimes you may miss the boat but at least you avoid falling in the river(!)

when opener bids the game force 3D why on earth would responder sign off in 4H????

[Jmaissen]

With a few agreements on major raises, I would bid 4 diamonds promising 4+ card support, 12-15 points, and a semi-balanced hand that denies having 2 1/2+ keycards.

Partner would have a reasonable picture that slam is a gamble and act accordingly.

[FrancesHinden]

PhilG007, on 2014-April-27, 07:41, said:

With the hands given it's difficult to stay out of a ♥slam which will hinge on the ♦ finesse being successful,a 50-50 chance. 4♥ would be the par contract. It would be regrettable if the slam were making but 4 Hearts would give 65% Sometimes you may miss the boat but at least you avoid falling in the river(!)

No, 3NT is the par contract.

[FrancesHinden]

PhilG007, on 2014-April-27, 07:41, said:

With the hands given it's difficult to stay out of a ♥slam which will hinge on the ♦ finesse being successful,a 50-50 chance. 4♥ would be the par contract. It would be regrettable if the slam were making but 4 Hearts would give 65% Sometimes you may miss the boat but at least you avoid falling in the river(!)

No, 3NT is the par contract.

[mikeh]

[quote name='eagles123' timestamp='1398626111' post='790954']
when opener bids the game force 3D why on earth would responder sign off in 4H????


When responder sees the hand with which opener bid this idiotic 3♦ (and I am being polite.....3♦ is beyond bad at a beginner's level let alone for anyone pretending to know how to play the game....ok, I'm not being polite anymore), he'll leave the partnership.

[wank]

eagles123, on 2014-April-27, 13:15, said:

when opener bids the game force 3D why on earth would responder sign off in 4H????

i think the guy was joking. noone who had played bridge before would find the 3d or 4h calls.

[MrAce]

whereagles, on 2014-April-26, 09:30, said:

Easiest way, I guess:

1♥ 1♠
2♦ 3♣
4NT 6♥ (or 6NT)

3♣: 4th suit forcing, intending to follow up with a heart bid (forcing).
4NT: in absence of explicitly declared fit, this becomes natural, quantitative (~15-17).
6x: probably not enough there for a grand.

Easiest way? ...........How can one reply to this without taking the risk to get warned/kicked by mods is beyond me.

[whereagles]

huh..? what's wrong with you?

[Cyberyeti]

whereagles, on 2014-April-27, 17:42, said:

huh..? what's wrong with you?

Because it's an insane auction, you have 16 opposite 15 without great shape, and you thoroughly deserve them to cash 2 aces or an AK.

[rmnka447]

Using a 3 NT response as a flat 12-14 point raise, our bidding would probably be:

1 ♥ 3 NT
4 ♥ P

If Jacoby was used instead, then our bidding would be:

1 ♥ 2 NT
3 NT 4 ♦ (♦ 1st, no ♣ 1st)
4 ♠ (♠ 1st)
......4 NT (waiting bid - no ♣ 1st)
5 ♥ (no ♣ 2nd, no ♦ 2nd)
Pass

[Zelandakh]

Looking at both hands it would be great to bid it

1♥ = max 17, 5+ hearts, unbal
... - 1♠ = INV+ relay
2NT = extras, 5♥4♦
... - 3♣ = relay
3♦ = 1543
... - 3♥ = relay
4♣ = 5 controls
... - 4♥

or

1♥ = max 17, 5+ hearts, unbal
... - 2NT = GF raise with 4+ hearts
3♦ = extras with shortage
... - 3♥ = relay
3NT = singleton spade
... - P or 4♥

but in practise far more likely is

1♥ = max 17, 5+ hearts, unbal
... - 2NT = GF raise with 4+ hearts
3♠ = extras without shortage
... - 3NT = serious, asks about spade control
4♣ = heart control, no club control
... - 4♦ = asks about diamond control
4♥ = no diamond control
... - 4♠ = RKCB
5♣ = and 0 or 3 key cards
... - 5♥

[MrAce]

whereagles, on 2014-April-27, 17:42, said:

huh..? what's wrong with you?

Check it out, all the replies, and then ask yourself "what is wrong with who"

Show me 1 single poster, 1 single auction, which has something remotely looks like yours.

People are asking auctions that makes sense, Not the easiest way to bid when seeing both hands. If your auction is indeed suggested seriously, I have even easier auctions.

1♥-4♥-AP

1♥-Slam-AP

What you did is not any different than this, you just put couple bids in between, just so that people see you in business, and then bid slam. You did not even show your 4 card fit! In fact you made such a mess that you could not show your fit even if you wanted to! But who needs to show a fit when seeing both hands and your missile was locked on the target!