[Shugart23]

In matchpoints, bidding goes 1C-1D-3D where opener shows 5+ Diamonds and 22+ HCP, we are wondering about Responder's second bid and methods to exploring finding 4-4 Major fit or 3NT vs ending up in (usually) inferior 5D contract

SHould Responder bid a 4 card Major at the three level ? This gives up 3H as a second negative.....

Similar question where bidding goes 1C-1D-3C -?

Thanks for any suggestions

[helene_t]

3♦ showing 22+ points and 5+ diamonds is not nearly specific enough.

You have to let some of those hands go through the Kokish relay. For example you could play that
1♣-1♦
1♥-1♠
3m
shows a 4-card major in addition to the long minor, while the direct 3m bid denies a 4-card major.

[Shugart23]

helene_t, on 2014-March-27, 08:45, said:

3♦ showing 22+ points and 5+ diamonds is not nearly specific enough.

You have to let some of those hands go through the Kokish relay. For example you could play that
1♣-1♦
1♥-1♠
3m
shows a 4-card major in addition to the long minor, while the direct 3m bid denies a 4-card major.

Perfect ! we use 1C-1D-1H (relay to Spades) -1S - ? to show a variety of NT point stregnths or real Heart suit...What you have described is an idle bid for us, and might be just the ticket.....I will ponder

[PrecisionL]

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helene_t, on 2014-March-27, 08:45, said:

3♦ showing 22+ points and 5+ diamonds is not nearly specific enough.

You have to let some of those hands go through the Kokish relay. For example you could play that
1♣-1♦
1♥-1♠
3m
shows a 4-card major in addition to the long minor, while the direct 3m bid denies a 4-card major.

This is the method of many seasoned Precision players.

1♣ - 1♦ - 1♥ = One Round Force:

(a) 2+♥ and balanced 20+ hcp, OR
(b) 4+♥ (maybe a longer minor)

Responder can now raise ♥s with 4, bid 1♠ with 4+ ♠, bid 1NT as a dbl negative (0-4 no Ace), or bid 2♣ with 5-7 and 0-2♥s, 2♦ = 5-7 and exactly 3♥s. Details in One Club Complete by Kathy Wei and Judy Radin. Also see Precision Today. Berkowitz and Cohen also used this scheme.

[straube]

I wouldn't use an 1H rebid as Kokish. It puts too much pressure on responder to rebid 1S to find out which hand type opener has; it would be preferable if instead responder was free to use other bids (branch out).

Your 1C-1D, 3D (if forcing and natural) should deny a 4-cd major. I'd recommend that after
1C-1D your 1M rebids be natural and forcing. Here's a scheme that is based on Meckwell or Meckwell Lite...


1H-hearts
.....1S-spades, denies 3 hearts unless 0-4
..........1N-balanced or 1444
..........2m-5/4+ either way
...............2H-weak 3 hearts
...............2S-weak, 6
...............2N-invitational, 4 or 5 spades
..........2H-6H
..........2S-4S
..........2N-inv
.....1N-0-4, denies 4M
..........2S-reverse, F1
..........2N-inv
..........3m-5+m, GF
..........3H-inv
.....2C-6-7, no fit
..........2D-artificial, weak
...............2H-2-fit
...............2S-6 spades
...............2N-short hearts, 5/4+ minors
...............3m-6m, poor suit
...............3S-6 spades, highly invitational
..........2H-6H min
..........2S-4S, GF
..........2N-GF
..........3m-4H/6m, GF
..........3H-GF
.....2D-5-7, 3-fit
..........2H-minimum, could have only 4 hearts
...............2S-4S, nf
..........2S-GF, 4S
..........2N-GF
..........3m-GF, 5m
..........3H-GI
.....2H-0-4, 4-fit
.....2S-5-7, 5S/3H
.....2N-5-7, 4-fit, shortness
..........3C-asks shortness
.....3m-6-7, natural, good suit
.....3H-6-7, no shortness

1S-spades
.....1N-0-4, not 4 spades, nf
..........2m-5/4+ either way
..........2H-5S/4H
..........2S-6S
..........2N-inv
..........3m-GF, 5m
.....2C-6-7, no fit
..........2D-weak relay
...............2H-5H, may have 2 spades
...............2S-2-fit
...............2N-short spade
...............3m-6m, poor suit
...............3H-6H, better than 1S-2H
.....2D-5-7, 3-fit
..........2H-5S/4H, nf
..........2S-minimum, could have only 4S
...............3m-6m
...............3H-6H
..........2N-GF
..........3m-GF, 4S/5m
..........3H-GF
..........3S-GI
.....2H-6-7, 6 hearts
.....2S-0-4, 4 spades
.....2N-5-7, 4-fit, shortness
.....3m-6-7, natural, good suit
.....3H-5-7, 3S/6H
.....3S-5-7, 4-fit, bal

1N-17-18

2C-natural, no major, nf

2D-natural, no major, nf, could be 5D/5C

2H-Kokish
.....2S-almost forced
..........2N-24+
..........3C-H
..........3D-H equal or longer
..........3H-H equal or longer to clubs
..........3S-H equal or longer

2S-GF 5+ spades
.....2N-asking
..........3C-S
..........3D-S equal or longer
..........3H-S equal or longer
..........3S-S equal or longer to clubs
.....3C-second negative

2N-22-23

3C-GF clubs, no major

3D-GF diamonds, no major

3H-GF, minors, shortness

3S-GF, minors, shortness

3N-to play, usually running minor and stops