I was given the following hand today:
Qxxxx AKx A9x A8
and the auction:
1D (2H) 2S (P)
3C (P) ?
and I bid 4D (considered 4N quant and 3H). But part of this is that I wasn't sure how continuations over 3H should go.
1D (2H) 2S (P)
3C (P) 3H (P)
?
What does partner bid with:
xx xx KQJxx KQJx
x Qxx KQJxx KJxx [what about ♥Jxx? or JTx?]
x xxx KQJxx KQJx
At another table, my hand bid 3H, and bid 6D over 4C, since my hand took from 4C the inference that partner had a stiff spade. I wasn't sure if I would take that inference.
If partner bids 3S over 3H:
1D (2H) 2S (P)
3C (P) 3H (P)
3S (P) ?
Is he showing 2 spades? Any two or just Hx? Or nothing about spades but half a heart stopper?
I know that somewhere along the line "standard" stops really being a thing. But what's the expert standard treatment here?
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#1
Posted 2014-January-10, 13:43
"I think maybe so and so was caught cheating but maybe I don't have the names right". Sure, and I think maybe your mother .... Oh yeah, that was someone else maybe. -- kenberg
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#2
Posted 2014-January-10, 14:00
Excellent question.
I would assume that 3♠ is a feature bid of some variety. The question is whether 3♠ should show a spade card (maybe Queen is enough) or heart shortness. Contextually, 3♥ had expressed some interest in 3NT, which suggests that one of the minors is probably a fit, but then the question seems to be what the focus should be after 3NT is rejected. 3♠ clearly seems to reject that option.
One line of thinking could be that 3♠ assists in considering an alternative strain (the 5-2 major fit), whereas the other concern is that 3♠ as a pure pattern bid (xx ok) helps with minor-suit slam (and game) consideration. As Hx would work in either case, the question is whether simply xx works for a 3♠ call.
IMO, xx should be enough at this level. Partner always has the ability to bid 4♠ if xx works, 4minor to focus that strain, or 3NT to express continuing doubt as to strain. Thus, I think the partnership sequence to 4♠ where Opener needs Hx is ...3♠-P-3NT-P-4♠.
Thus, for me, 3♠ should have shortness-in-hearts as the primary point, not Hx, as that honor can be shown later fairly easily.
Assuming this, then, with the actual hand I would bid 4♦ after 3♠.
I would assume that 3♠ is a feature bid of some variety. The question is whether 3♠ should show a spade card (maybe Queen is enough) or heart shortness. Contextually, 3♥ had expressed some interest in 3NT, which suggests that one of the minors is probably a fit, but then the question seems to be what the focus should be after 3NT is rejected. 3♠ clearly seems to reject that option.
One line of thinking could be that 3♠ assists in considering an alternative strain (the 5-2 major fit), whereas the other concern is that 3♠ as a pure pattern bid (xx ok) helps with minor-suit slam (and game) consideration. As Hx would work in either case, the question is whether simply xx works for a 3♠ call.
IMO, xx should be enough at this level. Partner always has the ability to bid 4♠ if xx works, 4minor to focus that strain, or 3NT to express continuing doubt as to strain. Thus, I think the partnership sequence to 4♠ where Opener needs Hx is ...3♠-P-3NT-P-4♠.
Thus, for me, 3♠ should have shortness-in-hearts as the primary point, not Hx, as that honor can be shown later fairly easily.
Assuming this, then, with the actual hand I would bid 4♦ after 3♠.
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#3
Posted 2014-January-11, 20:45
I would expect 3!S to be a form of false preference showing 2 cards, brought on by the GF ♥ control bid.
3♠ would show the inability to bid 3N and to rebid either minor at the 4-level (denying 6+4 and 5=5). 2=2=5=4 is what partner should expect.
With 1=3=5=4 and weak ♥ I'd rebid 4♦ the least lie. With ♥Qxx in 1=3=5=4 I might let Marshall Miles inspire and try 3N.
3♠ would show the inability to bid 3N and to rebid either minor at the 4-level (denying 6+4 and 5=5). 2=2=5=4 is what partner should expect.
With 1=3=5=4 and weak ♥ I'd rebid 4♦ the least lie. With ♥Qxx in 1=3=5=4 I might let Marshall Miles inspire and try 3N.
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#4
Posted 2014-January-16, 09:44
Thanks to both of you for your responses.
"I think maybe so and so was caught cheating but maybe I don't have the names right". Sure, and I think maybe your mother .... Oh yeah, that was someone else maybe. -- kenberg
"...we live off being battle-scarred veterans who manage to hate our opponents slightly more than we hate each other. -- Hamman, re: Wolff
"...we live off being battle-scarred veterans who manage to hate our opponents slightly more than we hate each other. -- Hamman, re: Wolff
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