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困难的一副牌:4441牌型21hcp

#1 User is offline   lycier 

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Posted 2013-November-29, 20:51

View Postlycier, on 2013-November-29, 20:37, said:



4441 with 21hcp,maybe it is very hard to describe rightly,I have no idea.now how to bid up to slam reasonablly?
thank you very much.

4441牌型21hcp,也许很难正确描述,现在我是没辙呀,请问您如何合理地叫上满贯呢?实战中,还是有一些人凭借这良好的牌感,定约6nt的。
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Posted 2013-November-30, 03:23

2d逆叫后封到3n没什么道理,c套已经配合了,总是应该试探满贯的;
4441强牌,出现的机率还是很小的,也是hardy2/1体系有缺陷的地方。这幅我会选择开1d,有机会先逆叫2h,再叫2次c,尽可能的描述自己1444的强牌。
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Posted 2013-December-01, 03:36

这是我在BBO中高级论坛讨论的链接,大家可以看看各国专家们的意见,感觉老外不错。
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Posted 2013-December-01, 05:46

老外的论坛我看不懂,但我会根据牌力叫到6NT,1C-1S-2D-3NT(哈代体系12-15),21+12=33小满还是可以摸得;不过也可以1C-1S-2D-3C(逼叫),再看后面的发展。
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Posted 2013-December-01, 05:55

老外多数能叫上7定约,咱们还是有很多缺点。
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Posted 2013-December-01, 21:52

果子狸好办法,但具体俺也不熟练,
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Posted 2013-December-02, 02:42

2/1:

1C 1S
2D 2H(C已配合,等待)
3H(4441) 4C(同意C,试贯)
4D 4H
4NT……

7C不敢说,至少6C能叫到

开叫人逆叫,应叫人拿高花两A、DQ和4张C支持都不想满贯,未免太保守了
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Posted 2013-December-02, 02:55

flying_cat:
您好,欢迎您来到华人论坛讨论。
其实在2逆叫后,应叫人直接加叫3=9P+,4张以上支持了。如此,满贯在望:开叫人会再叫4C做低花木问叫。
而你如果再叫2,开叫人可以直接加叫3和4,很麻烦了。


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Posted 2013-December-05, 00:36

View Postlycier, on 2013-December-01, 05:55, said:

老外多数能叫上7定约,咱们还是有很多缺点。

叫上7是不简单,不看牌能叫到,太难了。
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Posted 2013-December-05, 00:57

View Posthdgh001, on 2013-December-05, 00:36, said:

叫上7是不简单,不看牌能叫到,太难了。


你好!

热烈欢迎hdgh001来到华人论坛,有什么需要帮忙的,请说,一定尽力。
再次感谢。

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Posted 2013-December-09, 22:47

个人观点,首先,这牌没叫到满贯,其实跟4441牌型21点,关系不大,东持1个A,4张,且上有Q的情况下,对同伴的逆叫竟然没有满贯想法,有点不可思议。方块上不仅有大牌,且有将吃价值,差不多已经可以数到11个赢墩了。
此外,不知道用不用英格伯曼,如果用的话,开叫人可以知道应叫人有点牌力,4NT邀请就必须了。当然,这是下策,主要问题出在东家。
4441是比较难叫,我个人不喜欢有单张的情况下开叫NT,同伴一个转移叫,把你扔在51配的高花上,并且还没有大牌,真是欲哭无泪。
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Posted 2013-December-10, 09:32


Moscito:


1......... 15+ any
......1... FG any
1......... 18+ any
......2... 6+ 1-suiter / (54)+ +
2......... Relay for shape
......3... 5224
3......... Relay for QP. A = 3, K = 2, Q = 1
......4... 8QP (+1 = Base = 6QP, +3 = Base+2 = 8QP)

W is missing AKQ AQ Q a total of 11 QP. E shows 8 QP.
That means at this point W know that they are missing 3 QP only, which could be 1A, 1K1Q or 3Qs.

4......... Relay, initiate DCB with K parity
......4NT... Even K, 1/2 Hs, 0 H.

Now know that E is missing K and 1Q. If that is Q there is grand.

5......... Relay, DCB
......5... 1 H

E confirm 1 Honor which has to be A.
So W know that E holds Axxxx AQ Qx xxxx
But there is no room to investigate the presence of J so can only signoff in 7

7......... Signoff



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Posted 2013-December-10, 10:31

Moscito 看了一下,感觉非常喜欢,很优秀的一个体系,很适合固定pd间使用;
应该说是现代改良版jq里面的一个非常好的选择吧,可惜国内使用者太少,想找个pd一起练习是非常困难的事;
不管如何,喜欢jq又喜欢复杂体系的朋友值得一试。
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Posted 2013-December-10, 20:28

View Postdvd, on 2013-December-10, 10:31, said:

Moscito 看了一下,感觉非常喜欢,很优秀的一个体系,很适合固定pd间使用;
应该说是现代改良版jq里面的一个非常好的选择吧,可惜国内使用者太少,想找个pd一起练习是非常困难的事;
不管如何,喜欢jq又喜欢复杂体系的朋友值得一试。

确实,非常复杂,但叫的非常准确。感觉我初学牌时的篮梅花叫牌法也有这个特征,只不过没有这么细致。

另外,我记得好象zyp163(风扬)在学习这个体系,你有兴趣可以与他联系,试试。
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Posted 2013-December-11, 03:49

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如有可能,你将是我们China BBO门户中中国桥牌新闻栏目第一推介的中国桥牌专家!
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Posted 2013-December-11, 03:54

欢迎大家提供新闻线索,弘扬华人文化,扬我民族之气,促进与世界各国牌手的广泛交流,大家说好不好呀?
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Posted 2013-December-11, 05:45

lycier 過譽了

我不是甚麼專家,也只是一位 Moscito 的初學者而已。

純粹為了測試體系和分享。
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