[mr1303]

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It needs a lot. The auction was something extremely complicated, but I was dead chuffed to make 7S on this layout.

How would you bid this in standard ish methods? I'm going to have North open a 15-17 NT.

[Cyberyeti]

1N-2♥
2♠-5♣(exclusion)
5♥(1/4)-5N (anything else)
6♣-6♦
6♥-6/7♠

So partner has 15-17, A♣, AK♥, take your best guess.

[PhilKing]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-June-23, 03:11, said:

1N-2♥
2♠-5♣(exclusion)
5♥(1/4)-5N (anything else)
6♣-6♦
6♥-6/7♠

So partner has 15-17, A♣, AK♥, take your best guess.

If it's a guess, then maybe bidding exclusion was nuts.

[Cyberyeti]

PhilKing, on 2013-June-23, 08:54, said:

If it's a guess, then maybe bidding exclusion was nuts.

I'm not sure you're going to find out any more, particularly as the first thing partner will tell you about is likely to be a club control which depending on methods you may not know if it's first or second round.

I suspect the grand is seriously odds against so I'd just bid 6.

[PhilKing]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-June-23, 09:09, said:

I'm not sure you're going to find out any more, particularly as the first thing partner will tell you about is likely to be a club control which depending on methods you may not know if it's first or second round.

I suspect the grand is seriously odds against so I'd just bid 6.

This auction was not the problem, since partner can bid grand with a trick source, but there are plenty of hands whre you can't make slam where we could have consulted partner.

[aguahombre]

I think this truly qualifies as an "interesting hand", and it seems from the outset to be one of the blast/guess situations. I will be breaking tempo and considering:

--Will a transfer catch a double?
--Will exclusion be useless with my 4 small hearts AND discourage a Club lead?
--Will I wrong-side?
--Will exploration do anything except leak information?

1N-6S

[ggwhiz]

I might bid it 1nt - 2♣, arrange to kc after the heart response ask for the queen and then bid 6♠ when it isn't there.

[the hog]

ggwhiz, on 2013-June-23, 12:40, said:

I might bid it 1nt - 2♣, arrange to kc after the heart response ask for the queen and then bid 6♠ when it isn't there.

Might you?
Then you might just find partner with
xx
AKxx
KQJx
???

Note that this is only a 13 count. I am not saying that I have the answer, just that you need to think through your responses more carefully.

[gszes]

When one has a zero loser suit and it is the high(est) ranking it is possible
to temporarily show interest in a lower ranking suit to help gather useful
information about that 2nd suit.

1n 15-17 not crazy about it but anything else leads to different problems
2h transfer
2s accept
3h pretending to have 55+ majors GF
4c heart fit and cue bids (does not deny spade fit or control but hearts better)
4d cue
4h cant go beyond 4h since no spade control presented so far
4n
5c (03)
5d heart Q
5h no
5n Anything else??
6h no
6s if p had been able to show either minor K 7 would seem plausible since
all they have shown is !HAK and !CA
pass has to respect since it is impossible to be looking for 7 missing heart Q
and nothing extra.
If p had not shown heart support originally it might be easier
1n
2h
2s
3h
3s agrees to spades
3n shows at least 2 of top 3 spade honors and slamming (any other cue bid would
deny at least 2 of the top 3 honors and opener cannot proceed with cue bidding
w/o at least 1 of top 3 honors).
4c
4d
if p cannot bid 4h here we sign off
4h a simple response denies all maximum holdings (any cue bid
other than hearts would show a max plus heart control).

Take it from there as we now have to imagine the future give and take
depending on the actual hand held by opener.

Before using this type of bidding be sure all the future responses will help
rather than hinder your search for information and don't be an incredible
optimist search dispassionatley for information and make a rational
decision based on probabilty from what you have learned (while taking
into account the state of the match).

[nige1]

mr1303, on 2013-June-23, 02:11, said:

It needs a lot. The auction was something extremely complicated, but I was dead chuffed to make 7S on this layout.How would you bid this in standard ish methods? I'm going to have North open a 15-17 NT.

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The grand seems be about 33%. Perhaps ...
1N - 2♥^₁ -
2♠ - 4♣^{2 -}
4♠ - 6♠³ -

• 2♥ = Transfer
• 4♣ = Auto-splinter.
• 6♠ = Gamble.

[Antrax]

[edited nonsense out. Still too early]