[deep]

5°Major diamond 4°

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1nt is also with 5° major

What bid south? 3♣ can not bid repeat stayman because after 2♠ bid double if he want to know the hand, with pass after 2♠ opener say that not have 4♥, not have 5 cards, no double stop at ♠ because not bid 2nt, then now is better bid 3♦ or 3♠ or 3nt?
Ty at all for help

[gszes]

as long as you recognize the 3c bid is forcing you are off to a good start. You have
already told p you do not have 2 spade stops and a simple 3n would show p one
stop. This leaves 3s available for a partial spade stop K Qx Jxx Txxx. P should then
be in much better position to decide if 3n is a good contract. Many will consider Qxx
a spade stop but they fail to take into consideration their p is avoiding bidding nt and did
not bid 3s themselves to ask for a stopper. While the Q might be a stopper I would hate
to miss 5c because I lied:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) QTx I would try 3n.

[PhilKing]

3♦. 3♣ is natural and forcing and I cooperate with a descriptive economical bid. With a choice of plausible bids (3♦,3♠ and 3NT), choose the most economical, since it gives partner more room to probe. In this case 3♦ stands out.

If partner has:

♠xx
♥AKQx
♦x
♣J9xxxx

He can still bid 3♠. Somehow I doubt partner has anything resembling that.

[rmnka447]

PhilKing, on 2013-April-29, 14:24, said:

3♦. 3♣ is natural and forcing and I cooperate with a descriptive economical bid. With a choice of plausible bids (3♦,3♠ and 3NT), choose the most economical, since it gives partner more room to probe. In this case 3♦ stands out.

If partner has:

♠xx
♥AKQx
♦x
♣J9xxxx

He can still bid 3♠. Somehow I doubt partner has anything resembling that.

I pretty much agree with PhilKing's comments.

Responder may be somewhat stuck in finding a forcing bid, so 3 ♣, which should be forcing, may be made on not a lot of ♣ length (♣ Jxxx).

It's also quite possible for responder to hold both minors as well as ♥s -- something like ♠ x ♥ KQxx ♦ Axxx ♣ Jxxx.

[PhilG007]

deep, on 2013-April-28, 09:02, said:

5°Major diamond 4°

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1nt is also with 5° major

What bid south? 3♣ can not bid repeat stayman because after 2♠ bid double if he want to know the hand, with pass after 2♠ opener say that not have 4♥, not have 5 cards, no double stop at ♠ because not bid 2nt, then now is better bid 3♦ or 3♠ or 3nt?
Ty at all for help

North's 3 Clubs is a weak take out showing at least 6+ clubs and 7 losers.
South has 6 losers. 7+6 =13 24-13= 11 tricks South should jump to 5 Clubs.

[the_clown]

AS other said, 3♦ planning to bid 3N over 3♥.

[billw55]

PhilG007, on 2013-April-30, 04:49, said:

North's 3 Clubs is a weak take out showing at least 6+ clubs and 7 losers.

North has made two bids though. Is your analysis of his hand consistent with both?

[Zelandakh]

The traditional meaning of Stayman followed by 3♣ is a weak takeout with long clubs. However, not many still playing this version of Stayman. In the 80s there was a phase where it became fashionable, at least in some areas, to play Stayman followed by 3♣ as natural and invitational. But by far the most common meaning nowadays is for the sequence to be natural and forcing. PhilK gave a good write-up of what to do over a forcing 3♣ and why.

[P_Marlowe]

Absent unusual agreements, partner showed 5+ clubs, and 4 in a undisclosed major, gameforcing values.
You have a 9 card fit, maximum, controls => show slam interest, by bidding 3D.

With kind regards
Marlowe