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One hand. Two bidding decisions

Poll: One hand. Two bidding decisions (30 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your opening bid?

  1. P (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 1C (19 votes [63.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.33%

  3. 1H (11 votes [36.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.67%

  4. Other (please comment) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Assume auction goes 1H (3D) 3N. Your call?

  1. P (19 votes [63.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.33%

  2. 4C (6 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  3. 5C (1 votes [3.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.33%

  4. Other (please comment) (4 votes [13.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

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#1 User is offline   bd71 

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Posted 2013-April-23, 21:40



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Posted 2013-April-24, 01:11

I would open 1 think it's too strong to pass and surely opening 1 shows the wrong shape?

with the 2nd auction I think pass :)
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Posted 2013-April-24, 02:26

1C / 4H
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Posted 2013-April-24, 02:27

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I would not be there, misvoted, I would show my 2nd suit.
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Posted 2013-April-24, 03:00

I would open 1. Playing with my favourite parner I would open 4 to show 65M and abou 7-13 HCP.

If someone forced me to open 1 I would surely pass 3N.
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Posted 2013-April-24, 05:11

I honestly do not see how we can pass 3 NT after opening 1 . Partner has no long spades, usually no three hearts and usually at most 4 diamonds. We do have a club fit and even slam chances are there.

Give partner Axx,Kx,Axxx,Kxxx and we miss a grand. Yes, okay, he will not have a hand with so pure values, but we can at least look for a small slam.

Over 1 (3) 3 Nt it is trickier. But I would bid 4 . I have a two suiter, I show it.
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Posted 2013-April-24, 06:16

For the majority saying they would open 1, is your intended rebid over the likely 1 going to be 2 or 2? If the latter, are you really comfortable showing reverse strength when you may not have a fit?
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Posted 2013-April-24, 08:17

I would rebid 2. Reversing on a 10 count isn't my idea of a good time.

Reverse Flannery rears its head again, since I'm more comfortable knowing we do not have a NINE card heart fit.
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Posted 2013-April-24, 08:44

1C-2C for me, whether reverse Flannery-ing or not (but I do, so I feel way better about it).
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Posted 2013-April-24, 10:06

1 then pass for me.

It's a sneaky ten count with running clubs(?) as a secret weapon. That secret weapon works well with a 5-3 heart fit too and you can't push the opps around with the club suit very often on sneaky hands.

And after 1 - p - 1 or some number of notrump you have drilled yourself from ever finding a heart fit.
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Posted 2013-April-24, 11:32

A clear 1 opening opening imo. I don't have rebid problems after any response from partner, just rebid 2. The fit is overrated because when we have a 5-3 fit and opps start with 2 rounds of or we may lose control. With better s it's not so clear, but I'd still open 1 because I prefer that style.
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Posted 2013-April-24, 17:58

I misvoted too, I thought that the 1 bid was on my left after I opened 1. I abstain from the second question because I would not have been in that position.
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Posted 2013-April-25, 00:27

I would NEVER open this 1C as I would be forced to rebid 2C over partner's 1S response, effectively killing a 5-3 H fit. If I could not open it with a 2 suited bid, then I would certainly open 1H
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Posted 2013-April-25, 11:43

There are just far too many hands where we lose the heart suit
when opening this hand 1c. the club suit certainly is better but a
1c opening bid really tells p little about our hand it is generally
more of a punt than a useful start. 1H at least lets p know about
our major suit and gets us off to a much better start overall.

Missing 53 even 54 heart fits become possible if we open 1c. At
favorable where i might be inclined to bid at the 5 level I would
be a ton happier having started with 1h and then backing in with
5c.

As to the current hand I will

PASS

since there are far more ways to make 3n than 5c and 6c would
take something like a miracle hand.


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Posted 2013-April-25, 15:50

The spots are crucial here -- we have nothing useful in hearts, while the club suit can stand a 4-2 split. We are far more likely to have a club than heart fit. There are many hands where 5C or 6C makes and 4H fails. We don't want to play a 5-2 heart fit. And finally, the enemy is likely to outbid us in spades; we want to get our best suit into action quickly. I'm opening 1C, planning to rebid 2C, and then mention the hearts if convenient later. I'm treating the hand like 4-6. Switch the spots and I'd open 1H.
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Posted 2013-April-25, 16:18

It would be helpful to provide an "abstain" option for question two when there are going to be people who care enough to answer the first question, but not if they are required to answer an unrelated question about a situation they'd never be in.
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Posted 2013-April-25, 16:25

View Postggwhiz, on 2013-April-24, 10:06, said:

1 then pass for me.

It's a sneaky ten count with running clubs(?) as a secret weapon. That secret weapon works well with a 5-3 heart fit too and you can't push the opps around with the club suit very often on sneaky hands.

And after 1 - p - 1 or some number of notrump you have drilled yourself from ever finding a heart fit.

Not necessarily

1-1
2-2(asking)
2(nat)-?
3

would seem to show the hand nicely.

Incidentally if the hearts were a touch better I'd open 1 as 1-1-3 shows a 5-5 or better with 2 good suits but not a good hand by our methods.
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Posted 2013-April-25, 17:11

I hate to open anything other than my longest suit, but I hate reversing on a 10 count even more, so I'm opening 1. As for part II, opponents appear to have 9+ spades and haven't found them; I'm guessing that partner is getting a surprise spade lead. I am going to bid 4 now, though I admit its a guess. Hopefully partner figures out I have boatloads of clubs and hearts.
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Posted 2013-April-25, 18:06

1 intending to rebid 2.

I don't much like a 1 opening, but having accidentally opened 1 I really don't like pulling 3NT to 4 - it seems that most of the time partner will give preference to his doubleton heart and you will be in an ugly 5-2 fit, in danger of bad breaks after the preempt, or of just being tapped off.

Maybe you could pull 3NT to 5, or after 4 bid a possibly ambiguous 5 over partner's 4 preference, but all of these problems are avoided by the normal 1 opening.
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Posted 2013-April-26, 02:24

I always open 1M with 5-6 hands, but here I wouldn't mind 1, suit quality disparity and also the fact that finding heart fit quickly doesn't help us over 4 from opps, with spades I would rather open 1
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