[bd71]

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Matchpoints.

Is it worth 3S?

If not, what change in conditions (vul?, seat?) would make you want to open 3?

[nigel_k]

Second seat vul it is a 2♠ opening for me. Non-vul I would open 3♠ in any seat, and maybe also 3♠ vul in third seat.

[aguahombre]

2S, any seat, any colors. Closer to 1S for me than 3.

[tom allan]

This is a 2♠ opening most of the time would try 4 in 3rd Fav 3 in 3rd Neither Is close to a one level bid I have not had good experience opening hands like these at the one level

[the hog]

2S, not 3.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

No, wrong colors, wrong seat.
We can talk about 3S in 3rd seat, equal colors or fav.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Fluffy]

clear 3♠ any position any vul

[Fluffy]

aguahombre, on 2012-October-28, 00:06, said:

2S, any seat, any colors. Closer to 1S for me than 3.

It surprises me a lot that you think about 1♠ with this extreme ODR, 1 level openings are meant to give space to both sides because you have the power to control the bidding and/or the need to show something like a side suit, here there is no power at all to control and no need of space to show anything, 1 bid is much better than 2 strategically.

at other vulnerabilities and position I'd rate 4♠ above 1♠

[Quartic]

2♠ for me Vul, especially in 2nd. Would bid 3♠ NVul 1st or 3rd.

[ahydra]

For me, I call 3S with that if nonvul in 3rd seat. In 2nd seat, particularly R/W, you need to "have your bid". This is therefore a 2S opening.

If the DK was the CK I would consider 4S non-vul in 3rd.

ahydra

[Cyberyeti]

2nd seat unfav 2♠, first seat I'd open 1♠ as our weak 2s are very wide ranging and don't include rule of 19 hands. 3rd seat I might consider 3♠.

[MrAce]

2♠

[cargobeep]

2S, this hand is just awful. With such a bad hand, a 3♠ preempt is not going to do anything.

[RunemPard]

cargobeep, on 2012-October-28, 17:34, said:

2S, this hand is just awful. With such a bad hand, a 3♠ preempt is not going to do anything.

Since when did 6421s with working values and a very solid 6 card suit become awful?

[wyman]

Yeah this hand has enormous odr but for me 2nd red/white I'm content with 2s.

[y66]

2S. Awfully good hand for me.

[neilkaz]

In 2nd seat unfavorable this is about exactly what I want to hold for a 2♠ opening.

[VM1973]

I don't see what's wrong with a 1♠ opener. It's 26 zar points even without adding 1 for spades.

Even at favorable vulnerability 3♠ is likely to be wrong. You must assume that your partner has at most 2 spades (with 3 he would raise, wouldn't he?) so you're considering that with an 8-card fit you are going to bid to the 3-level? Surely 2♠ is plenty as that already forces your opponents to start looking for their fit at the 3 level. In 3rd seat maybe...

[EricK]

If there's ever a position where pre-empts should be super-sound it is second seat, vulnerable. I am very happy to bid 2♠ here. Assuming partner knows my style, it is hard to imagine him making the wrong decision as the auction develops. I think this hand is more of a problem in other seats or at other vulnerabilities.

[mycroft]

Second seat, unfavourable? I'm never bidding 3. Partner will never get it right. The loser count is right for an EHAA 3-bid at unfavourable, but I've got too many high, so I'm still having to bid 2.

I might open this 3♣ with the black suits reversed, though (not at EHAA, of course) - it's almost perfect for "partner if you bid 3NT, you won't be disappointed", even short one club.