[ahydra]

This was what I faced immediately before heading back to work after lunchtime bridge...

♠KJ109xx
♥A
♦---
♣AKQJ10x

(P) P (2D) ?

2D is a standard weak 2 in diamonds.

ahydra

[gwnn]

I wonder if 6S makes any sense here. I'd find out at the table soon.

[Zelandakh]

gwnn, on 2012-September-24, 07:57, said:

I wonder if 6S makes any sense here. I'd find out at the table soon.

Seems very unilateral. Starting with the systemic clubs and spades overcall seems normal.

[Cyberyeti]

4♣ (clubs + major, forcing), then probably 5♠.

[gwnn]

Zelandakh, on 2012-September-24, 08:01, said:

Seems very unilateral. Starting with the systemic clubs and spades overcall seems normal.

Yes but it seemed to me like OP does not have a systemic clubs and spades overcall.

[ahydra]

Yep, this is extremely casual bridge so no real conventions beyond Stayman, transfers, OGUST and RKC. I wonder if 4C (even if it doesn't necessarily show spades) isn't such a bad idea though.

ahydra

[gwnn]

ahydra, on 2012-September-24, 09:38, said:

Yep, this is extremely casual bridge so no real conventions beyond Stayman, transfers, OGUST and RKC. I wonder if 4C (even if it doesn't necessarily show spades) isn't such a bad idea though.

ahydra

4C could work out well, for example maybe you get lucky and play it in 4C instead of slam (as opposed to playing it in 4C instead of grand)

[TimG]

gwnn, on 2012-September-24, 07:57, said:

I wonder if 6S makes any sense here. I'd find out at the table soon.

Won't 6C make more often?

[gwnn]

I was thinking of avoiding spade ruffs but it will look silly if pard has short spades...

[TWO4BRIDGE]

The systemic strong 2-suiter overcall of a weak-2D open should be Roman Jumps = bid suit and one higher: hence 3S here = ♠ and ♣

[gszes]

since 4d would be michaels an immediate 3d bid should just be
a cue bid showing a very powerful hand or looking for a dia stop
for 3n. IMO it is too small a target to use 3d as michaels in the
hope that your limit is 3 of a major.

how you will proceed will depend on what happens next.

IF p bids 3h u bid 3s which is stronger than an origianl 3s bid
If p bids 3s (wow) 5d exclusion should solve your problem.
if P bids 3n u bid 4s which is stronger than an origianl 3s bid
If p bids 4c I would cue bid to see if we can get to 6c.
if p bids 4d (wow) hard to imagine p with a hand where 7c
wont have play and if rho makes a lightner x it is probably with a
spade void we can convert to 7s and know where to take a finesse if needed.

[rmnka447]

One of the big problems over a weak 2 bid is handling strong 2 suited hands. If you try to double and then show the two suits, you often lose one of the suits because of the preemption, especially if the opponents toss in a raise. So, discussing how to compete over weak 2s, our KO team decided to start playing the Roman Jump Overcalls mentioned in an earlier post. It helps the bidding over weak 2s in two ways. First, it allows you to show both suits with one bid and define the strong nature of your hand in one bid. Second, it clarifies the takeout double as either a traditional double with shortness in the opponent's suit or a strong one suited hand. With weaker two suited hands, we bid one suit and hope to get in the other suit if possible.

The proper bid with Roman Jump overcalls would be 3 ♠ showing Spades and Clubs. (With Roman Jumps, you show the suit bid and the next higher unbid suit.)

If pard raises to 4 ♠, I'll take a chance and jump to 5 NT GSF.

If pard preferences to ♣, I'll try 6 ♣ hoping pard can guess the ♠ situation.


Lacking any sort of agreement about competing with two suited hands (like Roman Jumps), I think I'll just jump to 5 ♠. That should show an 11 trick hand with ♠s. If pard holds either the ♠ A or ♠ Q, they will know to bid the slam and with both to bid the grand. The bid does lose the ♣ suit, but seems the best choice to get to a makeable slam.