[jillybean]

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[CSGibson]

Pass.

Nice game, Kathryn, good luck in the district finals.

[Siegmund]

No questions, partner!

[chasetb]

Pass, wtp?

Anyway, good luck in the district finals (I'm assuming Flight C).

[jillybean]

I got this one wrong.
I don't know which flight I'll play in, it depends on who I can find for a partner

[mike777]

pass

and congrats and best wishes....win!

[Heron]

Am I the only one thinking about a 2c bid here? Seems like the 1nt bidder is never going to leave the double in, my side-suit honors are likely useful, and the clubs are worth mentioning again.

I don't say that dogmatically (my bidding judgment clearly needs work), but if someone would care to expand more on why I'm full of it I'd be curious to read it!

PS: congrats! With luck and a tailwind I'll see you at the NAP. (Well, I have at least a D25 A/B/C qual, just need to work out a partner!)

[Phil]

Passing looks pretty juicy to me.

We advocate always trying to play up, but you get a reasonable subsidy for the spring NABC for winning, which is about $500 per person IIRC. So when there's money involved I think you can justify trying to win a flight you are eligible for.

[BunnyGo]

Phil, on 2012-August-07, 09:20, said:

Passing looks pretty juicy to me.

We advocate always trying to play up, but you get a reasonable subsidy for the spring NABC for winning, which is about $500 per person IIRC. So when there's money involved I think you can justify trying to win a flight you are eligible for.

Agreed. I asked my undergraduate advisor once whether to take a prestigious summer job that didn't pay much, or a less prestigious one that paid better. His response, "whenever I had the choice between money and prestige, I took the money."

I also agree with passing.

[billw55]

Phil, on 2012-August-07, 09:20, said:

Passing looks pretty juicy to me.

We advocate always trying to play up, but you get a reasonable subsidy for the spring NABC for winning, which is about $500 per person IIRC. So when there's money involved I think you can justify trying to win a flight you are eligible for.

I won my district flight C a couple years ago, it was $700 each. Unfortunately ACBL reported this to the IRS which reduced it somewhat come April.

[helene_t]

Heron, on 2012-August-07, 08:21, said:

the clubs are worth mentioning again.

Are they? Somewhat depending on methods we might already have shown our five clubs by our failure to rebid 1♠, to make a support redouble, or to open 1♦.

I think that partner expected this shape when he chose to double. In the unlikely event that LHO bids 2♦, he may be happy to defend that as well.

[mikeh]

Heron, on 2012-August-07, 08:21, said:

Am I the only one thinking about a 2c bid here? Seems like the 1nt bidder is never going to leave the double in, my side-suit honors are likely useful, and the clubs are worth mentioning again.

I don't say that dogmatically (my bidding judgment clearly needs work), but if someone would care to expand more on why I'm full of it I'd be curious to read it!

PS: congrats! With luck and a tailwind I'll see you at the NAP. (Well, I have at least a D25 A/B/C qual, just need to work out a partner!)

What do you think LHO's hand looks like?

His partner showed a decent hand (roughly opening values but style can impact on this), and spades and diamonds. LHO bid 1N rather than choose either of the suits his partner asked him to bid.

I would expect LHO to hold QJxx (or better) in clubs, which immediately suggests that maybe 2♣ is not going to be optimum. He probably also holds 4 hearts. He might be 2=4=2=5 or some 4432 with length in our suits.

This sort of card reading is inferential and of limited precision, but it should suffice to suggest that LHO has defensive values and a misfit for his partner.

Playing the contract our way requires 8 winners to generate a small plus, and we have to do it without the advantage of the opening lead (altho we have 'declarer's advantage', to some degree).

Defending 1N requires only 7 winners, with the opening lead and we will have a lot of information about this hand by trick 2 or 3. And the score for our 7 tricks beats our score for 8 winners in clubs. Plus if they go 2 down, we get a top....it seems improbable that we have a game our way....and if we do, we may get 800 (but I am morally sure that is irrevelant).

Pass seems clear to me.

[han]

Congrats on your nice result Kathryn!

I agree with all of what the passers have written. I think that the point Helene makes is strongest: we have the kind of hand that partner should expect us to hold, and partner doubled. There is no reason to overrule.

I'm not sure I agree with Phil and the people he speaks for. I don't want to always play up. Most often I prefer to play against people who are of roughly the same level as I am.

[ggwhiz]

Hmmm.

Subsidy money vs. playing up is no contest. There are plenty of opportunities for the latter like entering the Vanderbilt as the # 106 seed once you are there.

I once squeeked through the first round, played the next 32 against Garozzo and Lea Dupont and the last 32 against Garozzo and Belladona! The NAP's was my ticket.

Best of luck and congrats.

[jillybean]

Here's the full hand

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[CSGibson]

In regards to GGwhiz's comment - (I had a quoting accident)

Best is if you can do both - last time I won the right to represent my district in multiple flights, I was in 3rd qualifying spot for flight B, but the 1st in flight A.

[jillybean]

CSGibson, on 2012-August-07, 11:37, said:

Best is if you can do both - last time I won the right to represent my district in multiple flights, I was in 3rd qualifying spot for flight B, but the 1st in flight A.

Now you're talking. But maybe some what optimistic for me!

[jeffford76]

jillybean, on 2012-August-07, 11:40, said:

Now you're talking. But maybe some what optimistic for me!

And sadly the district both jillybean and I are in is running all the flights the same day.

[Cyberyeti]

Would have bid 3N on the N hand fearing AKxxxx and a card, it appears this is a fortunate make. I think I'm passing 1Nx, where I come from 1N-2♣-2♦-3N was probably what we'd have done along with much of the field.

[CSGibson]

jeffford76, on 2012-August-07, 14:27, said:

And sadly the district both jillybean and I are in is running all the flights the same day.

Yes, a sad but true thing - my comment is now rendered irrelevent aside from the inevitable backlash from the real and perceived self-promotion.