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JEC #12 board 4 cue asking for a stopper.

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Posted 2012-June-09, 18:16



It was only the 2nd time Ive played with Marc, so I wasnt sure about any follow up. I think he would assume would assume that 4NT is quant and 4D follwed by 4NT is keycards. I was afraid of a H ruff or that 6Nt might have no play.
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Posted 2012-June-09, 19:52

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Posted 2012-June-09, 20:43

I should have bid 4Nt here even if there is some chance that partner think its keycard rather than quantitative.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
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Posted 2012-June-09, 20:52

prefer 4d rather than 3h

extras with long d, no h stopper, no long spades or long clubs.

hope 4h is rkc in d now.
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Posted 2012-June-10, 05:48

Im not sure but I think 4D natural suggest H shortness or a H control. I think its normal when you have no H control to ask for a stopper first. There is also the possibility that 4D show 6 solid D + S fit.
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For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
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Posted 2012-June-10, 10:50

I think going through 3h first then bidding 4d (like i would do here)
shows a hand interested in slam vs a weaker more distributional
hand that is looking mostly for 5d (by bidding 4d over the x).

after 4d e must surely like their hand with all controls and a surprise
4 diamonds and the will cue bid 4h (I would play 4n as a sign off as it
makes zero sense for E to suddenly be able to take control of the bidding.)

Once E shows slam interest I would bid 4n as west and sign off in 6d
when I can't find the dia Q (a strong case can be made for pretending to
have the dia Q since they have 2 more dia than might be expected but we
will leave that in the hands of theorists for now).
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Posted 2012-June-10, 20:20

This seems like the perfect hand to "show" the Q.
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Posted 2012-June-11, 00:07

Not too easy to solve your problem- after all, how will you find out whether the stopper is AKx or QJTx?

With your methods, I had tried 4 NT.

In mine, I had bid 4 , this should be a control and a slamtry with long diamonds. With a strong minor twosuiter, I had bid 4 last round.
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Posted 2012-June-14, 14:18

View PostCodo, on 2012-June-11, 00:07, said:

Not too easy to solve your problem- after all, how will you find out whether the stopper is AKx or QJTx?


I will bid 3 and then 4 over 3NT. Partner will bid 4 with a suitable holding for slam or 4NT with an unsuitable holding.
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