[gwnn]

General etiquette question. Is it rude to do so? Personally I'm slightly annoyed when my partner does it, but other people don't seem to mind, so I don't say anything.

I'm not expressing myself very clearly today, so the sequence of events is:
-you finish a hand (generally as declarer) and it goes wrong, partner suspects you misbid/etc
-everyone puts their cards back in the board
-partner takes your cards out to look at them

[paulg]

I've found that chopping their hand off means that they only do it twice.

[billw55]

Only if partner solicits an opinion.

[Phil]

Ask first. Even then its kind of tacky.

[RMB1]

 Phil, on 2012-May-01, 14:45, said:

Ask first. Even then its kind of tacky.

Partner should ask to see your hand.

Handling partner's cards is an offence: Law 90B5.

[blackshoe]

 RMB1, on 2012-May-01, 14:51, said:

Partner should ask to see your hand.

Handling partner's cards is an offence: Law 90B5.

It's an offense even if permission is given (by a player). Law 7B3.

[jillybean]

How about taking your opponents cards out of the board? This is a sure way to irritate me.

[phil_20686]

 gwnn, on 2012-May-01, 14:35, said:

General etiquette question. Is it rude to do so? Personally I'm slightly annoyed when my partner does it, but other people don't seem to mind, so I don't say anything.

I'm not expressing myself very clearly today, so the sequence of events is:
-you finish a hand (generally as declarer) and it goes wrong, partner suspects you misbid/etc
-everyone puts their cards back in the board
-partner takes your cards out to look at them

Generally I just ask my partner what is hand is if I am confused. If he cannot remember or won't tell me I head directly to the bar.

[phil_20686]

 blackshoe, on 2012-May-01, 16:22, said:

It's an offense even if permission is given (by a player). Law 7B3.

The perfect example of a law nobody knows about or cares about.

[rogerclee]

I'll admit it, I do it all the time behind screens. Without screens I agree it's extremely tacky.

[blackshoe]

 jillybean, on 2012-May-01, 16:51, said:

How about taking your opponents cards out of the board? This is a sure way to irritate me.

Also illegal.

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No player shall touch any cards other than his own (but declarer may play dummy’s cards in accordance with Law 45) during or after play except by permission of the director.

Also,

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“Must not” is the strongest prohibition, “shall not” is strong but “may not” is stronger — just short of “must not.”

[inquiry]

I think it is rude, but it is insulting to the player who WANTS to look. After all, presumably he was at the table when the hand was played and therefore should know what everyone held.

General rule, DON'T do it.

[Codo]

I do not know what my partner helds when he declares. I need the time to relax.
But I would not take his cards out of the box later. He can tell me what he had if I am interessted, can't he?

I would not care if he takes my cards out of the box after the board. He is my partner, if such a small offense (if it is one) insults me, I should ask myself how sensitive I am.

[gwnn]

 Codo, on 2012-May-23, 01:44, said:

I would not care if he takes my cards out of the box after the board. He is my partner, if such a small offense (if it is one) insults me, I should ask myself how sensitive I am.

The simple act of him looking at my hand usually doesn't bother me, but it's often other mannerisms (shakes his head in disbelief, shows it to RHO to complain, growls discreetly) that come with it. There are two ways to do it: one where you are just curious and one where you are acting like a teacher checking a student's homework.

[Codo]

I would not like these manners too. There are some rules for good partnerships. Some of the most valuable are: Do not be a teacher (if you are not paid for) and do not sympathize with opps against your partner.

However, I have to live with several head shakes in disbelief, normaly my partners do not even need to look at my hand to do so- the scoresheet is sufficent.

[barmar]

 inquiry, on 2012-May-22, 22:38, said:

I think it is rude, but it is insulting to the player who WANTS to look. After all, presumably he was at the table when the hand was played and therefore should know what everyone held.

Who's insulting them? They're the one asking to look, are they insulting themselves by revealing that they don't remember?

Last night in a club Swiss, after IMPing a round I had a disagreement with a teammate about whether they held a singleton or Ax in my trump suit. I finally pulled out his hand to show him that I was right. It turned out that he was talking about a different board.

[mycroft]

On the rare times I actually want to do that (and one came up last night - I wanted to make sure I was right about what happened, without insulting partner who, if I was right, already knew what she did wrong), I will ask. I won't touch the cards, just look at them :-).

Anybody who grabs my hand without asking gets a lecture; anyone who does it after the lecture never plays with me again. An opponents who tries it gets a TD call first time (because lecturing opponents is bad). If anyone complains about me secretary-birding again, I point out the times I've had to deal with a 14-12 that was caused by an opponent pulling the cards out after the round, dropping one, putting the hand back, and then putting the odd card in the "obvious" hand (his), or the ones where N and W (or N and S) get switched halfway through the round "and you don't want a full board fouling penalty, do you? I know I don't.")

Anyone who doesn't accept "no" as an answer to the request - unless it's a "I think you revoked/I need to see the claim again/[other legal]" issue - fits in the same categories as above. Having said that, I don't remember the last time I've said no.

[Cyberyeti]

 inquiry, on 2012-May-22, 22:38, said:

I think it is rude, but it is insulting to the player who WANTS to look. After all, presumably he was at the table when the hand was played and therefore should know what everyone held.

General rule, DON'T do it.

I only sometimes ask partner after a claim if the hands aren't fully shown.

[ahydra]

Couldn't care if my partner looks at my cards. I do it all the time :$

When I'm dummy I switch off a bit so don't keep track of everything (seems reasonable enough, right?). And often the hand is interesting and I want to see if I had spotted the winning defence, or why partner bid/played as he did, or what the opponents could make etc. I also like to have some idea of who can make what so I can gauge our running score. Partner often wonders the same things and I'm always happy for him to grab my curtain card.

With opps I prefer if they ask me first out of courtesy (and I always ask them). I wouldn't dream of calling the TD over this.

ahydra