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Jacoby Open Swiss II Strong pre-empt

Poll: Jacoby Open Swiss II (33 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you make another bid

  1. Abstain - I would never open 3C (20 votes [60.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.61%

  2. Pass (11 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  3. 6C (2 votes [6.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.06%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2012-March-27, 10:13


Is partner the captain or are you worth another call?
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Posted 2012-March-27, 10:15

LOL
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Posted 2012-March-27, 10:50

LOL may be the correct answer.

You chose to make a rather unusual 3♣ opening call. Partner bid 5♣, presumably to make, but you don't really know. In any case, you must pass.

For all you know, partner might have:

AKQx
JTx
AKQx
xx

And even 5♣ is in jeopardy.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 11:27

I vote for LOL. Partner is supposed to be the Captain, and we are supposed to have a hand which doesn't want to be the Captain.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 12:08

Pass or open 5C for me. Abstain after 3C; it's guesswork at this point.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 12:25

Abstain or LOL must be correct.

I would pass but I have no experience in pulling the wrong card from the bidding box and underbidding by 2 tricks and then figuring out what to do later, so my opinion is probably worthless.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 17:00

I can only assume that for some reason we decided to walk the dog when we opened 3♣. So the issue of partner being captain doesn't arise. I voted abstain but would guess to bid slam if I really had to choose something.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 17:15

I agree with others, if i was forced to choose between 3♣ and 2♣, i would go with 2♣ rather than 3.

I don't know what to do right now tbh. Since i opened 3♣, i may as well just pass and try to get a plus score if i can now.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 17:24

Given where we've got to, I think it's right to bid 6♣. The opponents' silence makes it obvious that partner is bidding to make, so 6♣ is likely to have play.

Opposite ArtK's AKQx JTx AKQx xx I'd like to be in 6♣ rather than 5♣ - slam is making on a non-heart lead, and if they do lead a heart we'll usually go down in game, so the risk-reward ratio is low.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 21:13

6C -- sorry partner these cards are sticky, my ace of clubs was hidden behind another card.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 21:20

Personally, I'd open this hand 5 ♣ as it's a 5 loser hand.

But given the 3 ♣ bid, there's no way to know if partner is raising to make or furthering the preempt.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 21:28

View Postrmnka447, on 2012-March-27, 21:20, said:

Personally, I'd open this hand 5 ♣ as it's a 5 loser hand.

But given the 3 ♣ bid, there's no way to know if partner is raising to make or furthering the preempt.

True....but we have an opportunity to piss him off.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 22:29

View Postaguahombre, on 2012-March-27, 21:28, said:

True....but we have an opportunity to piss him off.


Dont worry about pissing him off, your wishes will already be granted when he sees the hand you opened 3♣ :P
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Posted 2012-March-28, 01:56

I also abstain/LOL/hate 3C. After having bid 3C I'd shrug and bid 6C. Art unintentionally makes a good case for bidding on: if partner's hand fit's well we might make 7, and if partner's hand fits badly we might be down already.

I suspect that this is a ruling.
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Posted 2012-March-28, 02:05

View Posthan, on 2012-March-28, 01:56, said:

I suspect that this is a ruling.


This was the case.

Your partner took three minutes to bid five clubs and this hand bid six, making trivially when partner had a singleton heart and lots of values. Director ruled it back, but I thought he must have had a fun time trying to find some peers of South.

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Posted 2012-March-28, 02:14

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Posted 2012-March-28, 02:21

No need for peers, tere is UI and UI clearly suggests bidding.
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Posted 2012-March-28, 04:05

View PostFluffy, on 2012-March-28, 02:21, said:

tere is UI and UI clearly suggests bidding.

Why does the UI suggest bidding? Partner might have been agonising between pass, 4♣ and 5♣ for all you know.
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Posted 2012-March-28, 08:36

View Postgnasher, on 2012-March-27, 17:24, said:

Given where we've got to, I think it's right to bid 6♣. The opponents' silence makes it obvious that partner is bidding to make, so 6♣ is likely to have play.

Opposite ArtK's AKQx JTx AKQx xx I'd like to be in 6♣ rather than 5♣ - slam is making on a non-heart lead, and if they do lead a heart we'll usually go down in game, so the risk-reward ratio is low.


View Posthan, on 2012-March-28, 01:56, said:

I also abstain/LOL/hate 3C. After having bid 3C I'd shrug and bid 6C. Art unintentionally makes a good case for bidding on: if partner's hand fit's well we might make 7, and if partner's hand fits badly we might be down already.

I suspect that this is a ruling.


Both of you have legitimate points about bidding on. The point that I was trying to make was that partner could have a great hand and you still might not make slam (or even game). He might even have his full hesitation but if the hands don't fit well there will be no slam.
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Posted 2012-March-28, 08:45

No need for peers, pass is clearly an LA [under the new(ish) rules].
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