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Action over 4H preempt

Poll: Action over 4H preempt (22 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your action?

  1. Pass (1 votes [4.55%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  2. 4NT (1 votes [4.55%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  3. Double (20 votes [90.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 90.91%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   r_prah 

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Posted 2012-March-21, 11:00



Matchpoints, unfavorable. What is your call over the 4♥ preempt?
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Posted 2012-March-21, 11:14

Double. Too strong to pass, too sane to bid 4NT.
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Posted 2012-March-21, 11:17

Double and then pull the inevitable 4♠ to 5♣ to show the flexible hand type.

No poll choice for the double? Really?
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Posted 2012-March-21, 11:19

View PostPhil, on 2012-March-21, 11:17, said:

No poll choice for the double? Really?


Edited to include double.
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Posted 2012-March-21, 11:20

In that case, I choose "edited".
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Posted 2012-March-21, 11:40

Any idea what the difference is between X and 4 NT and X and 5 ♣? Does the first show longer diamonds, a stronger hand or a place to play?
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Posted 2012-March-21, 12:13

Good hand to post


To me the problem is not whether to DBL or not, of course i DBL for the reasons Han already said, but what to do when pd bids expected 4♠ ? To let him play or try to find a fit at 5 level ?

I personally will pass if pd bids 4♠. I see our slam chances slim to none. Heart Ace and ruff is a strong possibility to start with. Even if that doesnt happen i need pd to have AK of ♠ most of the time, even in 5 minor. And even if we are lucky to find AK/AQ♠+ a 3 or 4 card fit in the minors we still need ♣ Q to be taken care of when RHO is likely the short one in this suit. And even if we find AK/AQ♠+Qxx ♣ and survived the heart ace and heart continuation, 4th round ♦ may become a problem.

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I am aware there are hands where pd can bid 4♠ with only 4 cards, but he was supposed to pass with most balanced hands. He may have 4♠+longer minor which passing 4♠ is a definite loser but if thats the case i can always win postmortem by saying "preempts win usually" :P
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Posted 2012-March-21, 12:37

I hope pard passes my double. I feel doomed if they don't.
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Posted 2012-March-21, 19:52

Pass, take the plus (ducks).
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Posted 2012-March-22, 02:00

View PostMrAce, on 2012-March-21, 12:13, said:

I personally will pass if pd bids 4♠. I see our slam chances slim to none.

When you double and then bid 5♣, that's not a slam try: it just says you don't have the right shape to pass 4♠. We don't have to consider how good slam is, only how good each game is.
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Posted 2012-March-22, 08:56

View Postxcurt, on 2012-March-21, 19:52, said:

Pass, take the plus (ducks).


I saw Nickell do this a few years ago with the same pattern and maybe a King less, but it was over a 3♠ preempt.
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Posted 2012-March-22, 08:58

View Postgnasher, on 2012-March-22, 02:00, said:

When you double and then bid 5♣, that's not a slam try: it just says you don't have the right shape to pass 4♠. We don't have to consider how good slam is, only how good each game is.


And what makes us think we have better fit than ♠ 1 level higher ? I just dont believe 5m is a better game even if we have a fit for the reasons i already wrote.
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Posted 2012-March-22, 09:55

Just to clarify, what kinds of hands should the 4NT overcall be used for? Any minor two-suiter without the HCP power to penalise 4♥?
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