[wank]

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mps

[dake50]

I'll mess around. Start 3D.

[Poky]

Pass.

If 2♦ is a weak hand, won't be passed out.

If I bid 4♠ now there's a possibility:
a) I will be put into spade slam.
b) I will propel them to a good diamond save.

Besides, there's always a slight possibility 2♦ is GF and opponents forgot it (the only case when 2♦ could get passed out).

However, no reason to anticipate the bidding. Bid 4♠ in the next round.

[BunnyGo]

Poky, on 2012-March-13, 00:58, said:

Pass.

If 2♦ is a weak hand, won't be passed out.

disagree strongly. We should bid now, and when we have the short diamonds, this could easily be passed out. Opener has no reason to bid again, and if partner has 4/5 diamonds, he doesn't either.

[gnasher]

4♠. Partner probably has at least a 12-count, so this is unlikely to be a disaster. I don't think this shows a good hand: RHO may have preempted, but LHO hasn't.

Poky, on 2012-March-13, 00:58, said:

If I bid 4♠ now there's a possibility:
b) I will propel them to a good diamond save.

I've never understood this type of argument. If we bid 4♠ now, they have to decide what to do without exchanging any more information. If you allow opener to find out more about his partner's hand, why do you expect him to make a worse decision?

[Codo]

Partner may have an 18 count. So with Akx, Akx,Ax,xxxxx, he will drive us to slam. I do not fear that at all.
So I go with 4 ♠ too.

[gszes]

looks and feels too much like a

3s

bid to me vul vs nvul.

[han]

I wouldn't overthink on this one. We are 8-4, bid 4S.

[JLOGIC]

han, on 2012-March-13, 06:48, said:

I wouldn't overthink on this one. We are 8-4, bid 4S.

lol seriously. And RHO has shown a weak hand with length in our void. I mean... lol

[mikeh]

I'm clearly swimming upstream here...altho I also bid 4♠, I do so only because I see it as slightly more likely to get a good result than the alternatives, of which I rate pass as the only acceptable one.

There is a reason to be concerned....partner passed over 1♣, yet he rates to hold opening values, and possibly more. So why did he pass?

If LHO doubles, we are imo overwhelmingly likely to go for at least 500.

However, like the man says, we are 8-4, and we do have decent internal texture....so we have to bid....and confidently, of course.

Partner shouldn't double 5m without having them set in his own hand.

[aguahombre]

vote for 4S also. Just hope nobody chooses to bring in "We don't preempt over a preempt", and thinks it should apply here.

[wank]

you catch partner (me) with

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4♠ is the limit of the hand. playing with myself as it were, I'd be reaching for keycard. having never played with this partner before, i had to guess at his pre-empting style. knowing that his poker MO was to hit the all-in button repeatedly, I agonised and put the dummy down in 4♠

[Phil]

In other words, it doesn't matter what you do with the 8-4, as long as partner shows some restraint.

Might have overcalled with 1♦.

[JLOGIC]

wank, on 2012-March-14, 15:59, said:

you catch partner (me) with

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4♠ is the limit of the hand. playing with myself as it were, I'd be reaching for keycard. having never played with this partner before, i had to guess at his pre-empting style. knowing that his poker MO was to hit the all-in button repeatedly, I agonised and put the dummy down in 4♠

Why would you agonize? You have a stiff spade, your diamond honors seem dubious, and you have 2 aces. Your 5 card suit was opened on your right. I don't get it.

[quiddity]

aguahombre, on 2012-March-14, 14:49, said:

vote for 4S also. Just hope nobody chooses to bring in "We don't preempt over a preempt", and thinks it should apply here.

Interesting, I thought that bidding here is approximately the same as bidding over a weak 2♦ opening - a jump to 3♠ would show a strong hand with good spades etc. Is that wrong?

[aguahombre]

quiddity, on 2012-March-14, 17:19, said:

Interesting, I thought that bidding here is approximately the same as bidding over a weak 2♦ opening - a jump to 3♠ would show a strong hand with good spades etc. Is that wrong?

No. I, too think 3S should be strong here....not 4, though.

[CSGibson]

Codo, on 2012-March-13, 04:53, said:

Partner may have an 18 count. So with Akx, Akx,Ax,xxxxx, he will drive us to slam. I do not fear that at all.
So I go with 4 ♠ too.

I would overcall 1♣ with 1N with that hand. My partner would never pass that either.

[the hog]

Codo, on 2012-March-13, 04:53, said:

Partner may have an 18 count. So with Akx, Akx,Ax,xxxxx, he will drive us to slam. I do not fear that at all.
So I go with 4 ♠ too.

As partner could not bid over 1C, I doubt whether he has your posted 18 count. This looks like a 4S bid to me.

[wank]

JLOGIC, on 2012-March-14, 16:25, said:

Why would you agonize? You have a stiff spade, your diamond honors seem dubious, and you have 2 aces. Your 5 card suit was opened on your right. I don't get it.

er....3 aces. i've got a pretty clear 4 tricks with a little potential for more.

is 8 tricks not pretty classical for a 4 level pre-empt at adverse? given i've got all the outside aces, there shouldn't be too big a problem with tempo either.

AKQxxxxx spades and 5 random cards for example makes slam pretty solid.

[ArtK78]

quiddity, on 2012-March-14, 17:19, said:

Interesting, I thought that bidding here is approximately the same as bidding over a weak 2♦ opening - a jump to 3♠ would show a strong hand with good spades etc. Is that wrong?

Yes it is wrong. It is true that your RHO showed a weak hand. But your LHO opened the bidding. So this is not the same situation as bidding over a preemptive opening bid.

Hopefully partner also realizes that LHO opened the bidding, and will not do anything silly over 4♠ (which I agree is the call to make on this hand).