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SP: A102
He: KQJ10
Di: QJ1054
CL: 4
Pard open 1di, i bid 1sp and pard bid 2he?
what are the best options: 2sp, 2di, 1nt?
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is this a reverse somewhere in the world
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Posted 2012-February-25, 08:42
tkass, on 2012-February-25, 08:22, said:
SP: A102
He: KQJ10
Di: QJ1054
CL: 4
Pard open 1di, i bid 1sp and pard bid 2he?
what are the best options: 2sp, 2di, 1nt?
He: KQJ10
Di: QJ1054
CL: 4
Pard open 1di, i bid 1sp and pard bid 2he?
what are the best options: 2sp, 2di, 1nt?
I can imagine novices reversing on that hand. Maybe some strong club (precision) pairs too, but doubt it. Anyway, this is an easy 2S bid for me.
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Posted 2012-February-25, 09:15
I am probably the biggest opponent of "strong reverse" style on this forum but this hand isn't anywhere near what I consider normal reverse 
It looks like easy 2S to me.
It looks like easy 2S to me.
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Posted 2012-February-25, 09:28
tkass, on 2012-February-25, 08:22, said:
what are the best options: 2sp, 2di, 1nt?
Compared against 2♦ and 1nt, the reverse all of a sudden doesn't look too bad.
2♠ would be the best of the flawed rebids, though.
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Posted 2012-February-25, 09:49
2♦
Then Responder can bid the Bourke Relay ( 2♥! here = cheapest bid new suit ), if warranted, to "ask" if you have 3 cards ♠ .
Then Responder can bid the Bourke Relay ( 2♥! here = cheapest bid new suit ), if warranted, to "ask" if you have 3 cards ♠ .
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Posted 2012-February-25, 10:06
It's far from the worst understrength reverse I've seen at the table - mostly because it has 3 spades - but even as a proponent of reversing with a lot of 6-loser hands others wouldn't, I rank the reverse worse than 2S or 2D here.
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Posted 2012-February-25, 10:06
I've never seen a system where this hand is a reverse. It may exist, but I do not know it. I would bid 2♠.
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Posted 2012-February-25, 10:09
Seems, charitably, a bit light.
Count me amongst the 2♠ bidders.
Count me amongst the 2♠ bidders.
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Posted 2012-February-25, 11:51
No. It is a 1♥ opener in a few places though.
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Posted 2012-February-25, 13:50
tkass, on 2012-February-25, 08:22, said:
SP: A102
He: KQJ10
Di: QJ1054
CL: 4
Pard open 1di, i bid 1sp and pard bid 2he?
what are the best options: 2sp, 2di, 1nt?
He: KQJ10
Di: QJ1054
CL: 4
Pard open 1di, i bid 1sp and pard bid 2he?
what are the best options: 2sp, 2di, 1nt?
Actually, I'm going to change my reply ( of post # 5 ) to 1NT.
Because it is not everyday that I get to use one of my toys if Responder has enough to "ask" via NMF :
1D - 1S
1NT - 2C! ( NMF )
??
.. 2H = 4 cards ♥ , no 3 cards ♠
.. 2S = 3 cards ♠ , no 4 cards ♥
.. 3H! = 4 cards ♥ AND 3 cards ♠
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Posted 2012-February-25, 15:05
Partner's 2♥ was a reverse. The hand does not, IMO, justify it.
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Posted 2012-February-26, 13:52
Not worth a reverse in standard methods, nor in precision. The rebid can be 2S, but I wouldn't do it unless you have 3-card raises agreed. The alternative is to rebid 2D.
Edit: made text clearer
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Posted 2012-February-26, 20:34
whereagles, on 2012-February-26, 13:52, said:
Not a reverse in standard methods, nor in precision. The rebid can be 2S, but I wouldn't do it unless you have 3-card raises agreed. The alternative is to rebid 2D.
You have an unusual definition of "reverse", then.
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Posted 2012-February-26, 20:45
Yes, the 2♥ bid is a reverse. That is a matter of bridge terminology.
No, the hand does not justify a 2♥ call. That is a matter of bridge knowledge.
With almost any partner, I would bid 2♠. This is just bridge.
No, the hand does not justify a 2♥ call. That is a matter of bridge knowledge.
With almost any partner, I would bid 2♠. This is just bridge.
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Posted 2012-February-27, 08:03
blackshoe, on 2012-February-26, 20:34, said:
You have an unusual definition of "reverse", then.
Text wasn't consistent with thread title. Fixed.
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Posted 2012-February-27, 09:07
I am very happy to go 1♦ 1♠ 2♠ with 3 card support and an outside shortage. Without that club singleton, of course it would be a different hand with different bidding, and I don't support on 3 without a shortage, but if you don't agree that you support with 3 and a singleton you have nothing else you can bid. 2♦ is not to my taste. 1NT and 2♥ are worse.
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Posted 2012-February-27, 16:37
whereagles, on 2012-February-27, 08:03, said:
Text wasn't consistent with thread title. Fixed.
I think the context of the thread made it clear -- the whole discussion has been about whether a reverse is appropriate for the hand, not whether the bidding sequence is a reverse. Anyone confused by your original reply just hasn't been paying attention to the thread.
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Posted 2012-February-27, 19:36
barmar, on 2012-February-27, 16:37, said:
I think the context of the thread made it clear -- the whole discussion has been about whether a reverse is appropriate for the hand, not whether the bidding sequence is a reverse. Anyone confused by your original reply just hasn't been paying attention to the thread.
The OP asked two questions, one in the title, and another in the body of the post. Seems to me both questions deserve an answer. There are enough people out there who don't understand the difference between what a reverse is and what it shows. If we have a chance to clarify it for someone, we should take it.
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Posted 2012-March-02, 12:07
No its not a reverse (strength).
But I dont think its as far away so some of the posters. The solidity of the suits add a lot to the hand.
I mean, most would reverse on
Axx
AKxx
KQxxx
x
and I can definitely envisage hands where the extra pip strength/solidity is more important than the lack of controls, particularly in 3N. K&R calls it 14.9 HCP.
Still, you shouldn't reverse on the hand in OP, partner will bid slam too much, but after going low, with 2 spades, you may need to catch up later.
But I dont think its as far away so some of the posters. The solidity of the suits add a lot to the hand.
I mean, most would reverse on
Axx
AKxx
KQxxx
x
and I can definitely envisage hands where the extra pip strength/solidity is more important than the lack of controls, particularly in 3N. K&R calls it 14.9 HCP.
Still, you shouldn't reverse on the hand in OP, partner will bid slam too much, but after going low, with 2 spades, you may need to catch up later.
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Posted 2012-March-02, 22:32
No it is not worth a reverse and it is a long way away from that. This is a 2S bid.
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