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Would you open? A borderline hand in 1st seat

Poll: Would you open this hand? (49 member(s) have cast votes)

What would your action in 1st seat be?

  1. Open 1S (43 votes [87.76%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 87.76%

  2. Open 1H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Open something else (say, a system gadget) (2 votes [4.08%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.08%

  4. Pass (4 votes [8.16%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.16%

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#1 User is offline   HighLow21 

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Posted 2012-February-17, 12:35

I'm curious to see what A/E players would do in First Seat with this collection:


There is a big difference between a good decision and a good result. Let's keep our posts about good decisions rather than "gotcha" results!
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Posted 2012-February-17, 12:40

I wouldn't think twice about opening this. 2 & 1/2 quick tricks, rule of 20, good honor placement in our long suits, no problem with rebids...every point on the checklist for whether to open "borderline" hands is in favor of opening.
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Posted 2012-February-17, 12:42

I don't care to play with PD's who don't open this. I honestly don't consider it borderline due to the ♠10 and 2.5 quick tricks and all 10 HCP in my two 5 card suits along with no rebid issues. Minimal yes, but slightly above borderline.
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Posted 2012-February-17, 12:43

Looks like a straightforward 1♠ to me, for all the reasons Chris listed.
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Posted 2012-February-17, 12:46

“I favor light opening bids. When you’re my age, you’re never sure they’re going to get back to you in time.” (Oswald Jacoby at 77)
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Posted 2012-February-17, 13:25

I would open this, but I believe Fred is on record in the past for passing similar type hands.
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Posted 2012-February-17, 14:05

View Postneilkaz, on 2012-February-17, 12:42, said:

I honestly don't consider it borderline due to the 10♠

I only count 5 ♠. ITYM ♠10. :)

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Posted 2012-February-17, 14:12

View Postbarmar, on 2012-February-17, 14:05, said:

I only count 5 ♠. ITYM ♠10. :)


Oops..order matters will edit :ph34r:
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Posted 2012-February-17, 14:42

I would open this, but I passed KJ98x / K109xxx / xx / -- in first seat at MP the other night.
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Posted 2012-February-17, 16:08

View Postwyman, on 2012-February-17, 14:42, said:

I would open this, but I passed KJ98x / K109xxx / xx / -- in first seat at MP the other night.


Agree with both
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Posted 2012-February-17, 16:17

If you open partner makes a 2 over 1 forcing bid(in minor suit) and you end up in misfit 23HCP 3NT, if you don't you miss a double fit low HCP 4♥/♠.

Personally I still open 1♠ in case on the next round I'm going to describe my hand at 3 level due to opp's bidding, but pass is a very reasonable alternative imo.
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Posted 2012-February-17, 16:41

I would open even with slightly less (change the sQ to the sJ for example), and I don't consider myself a wild man by any stretch when it comes to opening bids. This hand is substantially better than some random 4432 12-count that everyone would consider an obligatory opener.
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Posted 2012-February-17, 18:20

I passed Jx AQ98x xx KJ8xx r/w as dealer today at MPs. Worked out quite well actually.
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Posted 2012-February-17, 18:27

View PostPhil, on 2012-February-17, 18:20, said:

I passed Jx AQ98x xx KJ8xx r/w as dealer today at MPs. Worked out quite well actually.


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Posted 2012-February-17, 18:30

View PostPhil, on 2012-February-17, 13:25, said:

I would open this, but I believe Fred is on record in the past for passing similar type hands.


I am gonna go on record and say I doubt Fred would pass this. Maybe this will lure him back to the forums ;)

It is one thing to pass 5-5 in the majors with ten hoping to bid later if you have little defense, or if you have bad suits or whatever, but AQTxx Axxxx is obv really powerful and is just a clear opener imo. Yes sometimes disaster happens and you get to a terrible 3N opposite a misfit, but the ten of spades and 2 and a half quick tricks make your hand just an opening bid imo. I know Fred has posted that the best way to show a 2 suiter that is almost an opener is sometimes to pass and bid later but I think he would open this hand. Will be interested to see his thoughts if he replies.
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Posted 2012-February-17, 18:31

View PostPhil, on 2012-February-17, 18:20, said:

I passed Jx AQ98x xx KJ8xx r/w as dealer today at MPs. Worked out quite well actually.


I miscounted my points yesterday and passed as dealer with 14. Worked out quite well actually. Musta been a good decision.
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Posted 2012-February-17, 18:46

Certainly a 1S opening. Would open with Wilkosz or another two suited opening if playing these methods though.
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Posted 2012-February-17, 19:13

View PostPhil, on 2012-February-17, 18:20, said:

I passed Jx AQ98x xx KJ8xx r/w as dealer today at MPs. Worked out quite well actually.

With this hand you have only one choice, call the director.
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Posted 2012-February-18, 09:14

View PostPhil, on 2012-February-17, 13:25, said:

I would open this, but I believe Fred is on record in the past for passing similar type hands.

Playing a natural system I would pass some 10-counts with 5-5 in the majors, but with all of my strength in my long suits, 2 Aces, and the 10 of spades, this hand is a clear opening bid for me.

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Posted 2012-February-18, 09:42

View Postdaveharty, on 2012-February-17, 16:41, said:

I would open even with slightly less (change the sQ to the sJ for example), and I don't consider myself a wild man by any stretch when it comes to opening bids. This hand is substantially better than some random 4432 12-count that everyone would consider an obligatory opener.

This, it makes game pretty much trivially opposite the right 4234 7 count which a lot of minimum openings won't.
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