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1D-2D, ?

Poll: 1D-2D, ? (14 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your bid?

  1. 2H (8 votes [57.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  2. 4C (6 votes [42.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

  3. something else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   straube 

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Posted 2012-January-13, 16:08

Partner makes an inverted raise of your 1D opening. Matchpoints, vul. By agreement, 2H shows concentration and 4C is a splinter.

Jxxx AKxx AKxxx void
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Posted 2012-January-13, 16:14

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I want to give partner a chance to show something in spades, which should be the key to a diamond game or slam. 4 will use up too much room.
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Posted 2012-January-13, 16:17

I'll listen to some more views before I reconsider the obvious 4c.
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Posted 2012-January-13, 16:34

2. I don't want to go past 3NT at matchpoints, especially when partner's inverted raise does not deny a club suit. I'm hoping to bid 3 next to show approximately this hand.
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Posted 2012-January-13, 16:46

View Postquiddity, on 2012-January-13, 16:34, said:

2. I don't want to go past 3NT at matchpoints, especially when partner's inverted raise does not deny a club suit. I'm hoping to bid 3 next to show approximately this hand.

Does either 2 now or 3 next round show any length, or only strength? OP said that 2 shows concentration . . . .

If not length, then I don't know that you'll show (even approximately) this hand. This suggests that you shouldn't try to show your hand, you should try to let partner show his hand.
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Posted 2012-January-13, 16:57

1D-3C is invitational clubs for us. Rebids of a major show only concentration.
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Posted 2012-January-13, 17:59

View PostAlexJonson, on 2012-January-13, 16:17, said:

I'll listen to some more views before I reconsider the obvious 4c.


Hah, that's pretty much how I felt.
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Posted 2012-January-13, 18:36

Depends on methods, but I have an aversion to splintering when partner will expect a stiff rather than a void (or can't tell). The club A over there is not worth anything to me....so I pitch a 4th round major suit loser....but he can't have a 4 card major, so I don't have a 4th round loser to pitch.

Meanwhile, how is the auction going after 4? I admit that my use of kickback makes the continuation of 4 4 impossible and 4 4N ( cue) unattractive with my spade holding.

I'm going with 2. Sure, partner may think we're headed for 3N, but my subsequent bidding will remove that illusion.....and I lose no ground doing so, since I am bound to have exchanged more information, than the splinterers, by the time I go past 3N.

But I'd be even happier with a better method over the inverted raise....say using 2M to describe hand type (balanced, unbalanced, maybe a comment about extras, rather than being semi-natural)
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Posted 2012-January-14, 04:39

I don´t want to go past 3NT with void in the suit where partner usually has lenght.
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Posted 2012-January-14, 08:35

View PostFluffy, on 2012-January-14, 04:39, said:

I don´t want to go past 3NT with void in the suit where partner usually has lenght.


Agreed.... you don't necessarily want to initially go past 3NT.

That is why Max Hardy says over an Inverted-2D raise that Opener's 3H-jump, 3S-jump, and the 3C-non-jump are all SPLINTERS.

If you feel you have a hand that definitely should be played in , then the 4C-jump would definitely show your VOID.

With J-4th in , I would choose the 3C ( shortness ) rebid .
.... Partner may then have an opportunity to choose 3NT or make a cuebid ( obvious a Sp-Ctrl, since you have both -Ctrls ) . Over his 3S cuebid, you then can rebid 4C to show your void.
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Posted 2012-January-14, 13:11

I like 2h. There is a decent chance I can bid 4c on the next round, which seems better than 4c now. Further, if partner has nothing in spade we may reach 3nt after 1d-2d-2h-3m.
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Posted 2012-January-14, 16:44

View Postawm, on 2012-January-14, 13:11, said:

I like 2h. There is a decent chance I can bid 4c on the next round, which seems better than 4c now. Further, if partner has nothing in spade we may reach 3nt after 1d-2d-2h-3m.


This is a good point.
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Posted 2012-January-14, 18:45

2 keeping things low for now and keeping 3nt in the picture at MP.
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Posted 2012-January-14, 19:14

View PostTWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-January-14, 08:35, said:

That is why Max Hardy says (...)


Hardy's follow ups for inverted minors are horrible; only matched by standard J2NT follow ups.
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Posted 2012-January-14, 19:36

View Postwhereagles, on 2012-January-14, 19:14, said:

Hardy's follow ups for inverted minors are horrible; only matched by standard J2NT follow ups.

I've seen the 3C! = splinter before by posters a few years ago .
You have to admit it is priceless on this hand ..... specifically descriptive yet staying BELOW 3NT !
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Posted 2012-January-15, 14:52

Well, singleton-showing below 3NT is good bidding. Showing stoppers with balanced hands is not.
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