[mck4711]

IMP, non-vul, SAYC

P in 4th seat has:
♠ -
♥ Kxx
♦ QTxx
♣ K987xx

Is this hand worth a 3♣-bid? IMO: No!
What else to bid? - Pass.

This hand has quite a lot of minuses, ie
- not enough playing tricks, let's say 3 - 4. AQT9 is behind, always .
- void, here in ♠, it is usually not that good if your hand has a void if you make a preempt-bid
- the effect of the preempt is not that big, the entire 3-level is still available; compare with a 3♠-bid: here the opponents have to bid on level 4
- the game is IMP, what part-score do opponents have? maybe 2♥ or 2♠, who knows? what is our score? on a lucky day partner has the perfect dummy, and 3♣ makes, but usually not, so after a hard battle 3♣-1 or -2

Having said that: With a "Pass" with this hand in this situation you gain more than you lose, at least in the long run.

Edited: "lose" instead of "loose"

[mgoetze]

Wait, you're saying I hold this hand and hear 3 passes in front of me? The only sensible course of action now is to get up from the table and find some opponents who are still breathing.

[mck4711]

mgoetze, on 2011-September-04, 14:59, said:

Wait, you're saying I hold this hand and hear 3 passes in front of me? The only sensible course of action now is to get up from the table and find some opponents who are still breathing.

Michael, you are so sensitive...
Yes, It actually happened as described. As mentioned in "Preempts 1" these are real-life examples.

Edited: "sensitive" instead of "sensible"

[cherdano]

Pass it out, the opponents rate to have more points than you, as well as major suit fits.

[neilkaz]

This is the easiest passout I've seen in a long time. 8 pts and a ratty 6 card suit and only 3 cards in the majors. Bidding 3♣ is what I call a NPAB. (New Partner Asking Bid).

Also, there are 32 HCP and 13♠ in the other 3 hands..one wonders how many of the other hands should've opened.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

certainly in 4th seat, this is a pass, but I just want to comment on some
of your remarks

#1 assuming green vs. red., in 3rd seat this is hand, with which some would open
3C, fearing that AQTx is always behind you is not a valid fear
#2 / #3 If you enter the bidding, you should enter at a high level, they did not open,
when they had the 1 / 2 level for them, why should the void make it easier for
them to enter now? And because of this, fearing that they now bid 4S, is also
not reasonable.
#4 If you enter now, you want to go plus, since if you pass, you get 0, better than
a minus score, and because it is not clear, that you can make a part score on the
3 level, you pass.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mck4711]

P_Marlowe, on 2011-September-04, 23:50, said:

Hi,

certainly in 4th seat, this is a pass, but I just want to comment on some
of your remarks

#1 assuming green vs. red., in 3rd seat this is hand, with which some would open
3C, fearing that AQTx is always behind you is not a valid fear
#2 / #3 If you enter the bidding, you should enter at a high level, they did not open,
when they had the 1 / 2 level for them, why should the void make it easier for
them to enter now? And because of this, fearing that they now bid 4S, is also
not reasonable.
#4 If you enter now, you want to go plus, since if you pass, you get 0, better than
a minus score, and because it is not clear, that you can make a part score on the
3 level, you pass.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Hi Uwe,
I think that we both agree, but express it differently.
- it is a bad suit-quality, ie broken. QJT987 produces 4 tricks, even opposite single or void. If u r aware of that and pard-agreements allow that kind of suit-quality, fine with me.
But: In case ur agreement allows this broken suit-quality, then u cant bid a solid suit, and vice-versa - at least u should not IMO. if u do then u make partner guessing.
- after a 3♣ preempt is it in general much easier to enter the auction than after 3♠
- void: where are the 13 cards? I dont say u are not entitled to bid, but u should be "alerted", and quite often it might be that u have a better play in another colour
- yes, pass and I get 0, if I enter -50 or -100 are the expected result, it seems that opps missed somewhere to go for +110. A HAPPY pass!
Best, Markus

[farrnbach]

what can you win?
someone has the S and the hcp

so if you open, you open for o to make or if 3C is passed out to go down

-> pass